Thread: Safe place to store ammo?

Originally Posted by gimp

Civil society or police state?

Random spot checks with no probable cause amount to unreasonable breach of privacy and are way too open to abuse, sorry, please stop assuming everyone is a criminal. We don't have random spot checks now and there's not a massive plague of people leaving their guns lying around for burglars. Why not go check everyone in the countries house to ensure they're not in possession of a joint? Oh because of "due process". Firearms license holders have been vetted to be fit and proper to hold a license, we don't need you to check up on us to make sure we're obeying the rules.

Surely you can see the incompatibility between your view that the most law-abiding segment of the population needs constant monitoring to make sure they're not committing crimes, and the idea that the police need more powers? On the one hand you're assuming that everyone is a completely untrustworthy criminal and on the other that the police are incorruptible. It doesn't make sense, and displays a blatant disregard for civil rights which is ironically the reason I'm opposed to greater police powers

This is NZ, NZ isn't a Police state, far from it. If you think otherwise then I suggest again that you spend a night on the beat.

Not all random spot checks amount to a breach of privacy, your broad sweeping statement is wrong.

Vetting isn't 100% reliable, this is shown when licences are revoked.

I don't assume that everyone is a criminal, spot checks are a necessary preventative measure in certain situations. Checking a person doesn't mean that they're being assumed to be a criminal.

Where did I say that everyone was a criminal? Or are you making an assumption? Where did I say that there was no corruption in the Police? Another stupid assumption? Where did I say the Police need more powers? Stop assuming that I've either said or think something to try and further your argument which is what you have done for your entire last paragraph, making it irrelevant.

Did you get hurt feelings because somebody told you what to do or pulled you over?