Thread: Semi Autos - Possible Interesting Development

Originally Posted by tetawa

With some of the blades and cutting wheels available today, a E cat safe is no hassle to enter. The deterrent needs to be in the courts, not the licenced firearm owner.

If a criminal wants something badly enough, nothing will stop them.

Originally Posted by Ryan

If a criminal wants something badly enough, nothing will stop them.

True and a hand tool resistant safe will NOT stop all of them. But the need to grind their way in will make it harder especially if you have an alarm.

At the end of the day these people should be kept off the streets.

I recently had an exasperated chuckle at a recent episode of police 10-7 where a shotgun was used in an offense. All the emphasis was on removing the firearm from circulation rather than catching the person who used it/acquired it.

Originally Posted by sheppard84

I recently had an exasperated chuckle at a recent episode of police 10-7 where a shotgun was used in an offense. All the emphasis was on removing the firearm from circulation rather than catching the person who used it/acquired it.

And far more motor vehicles are used by the crims, even in order to kill people. And knives, baseball bats, tools, .... Quite simply they need to sort the problem (crims) rather than ALL of the tools they use. Trouble is they go too softly, softly on them and by the time they get around to doing anything that could have been effective the crims are now career crims.

Originally Posted by Ryan

If a criminal wants something badly enough, nothing will stop them.

The premises that cannot be broken into and the physical and electronic security system that cannot be overcome have both yet to be designed. I spent several years proving to people that the thousands of dollars they had spent on their security could be easily overcome. I recall one particularly wealthy individual spitting the dummy big time when I demonstrated that I could get into the middle of his highly secure fourth floor Remuera apartment and remove his most prized possession right under the eyes of his really expensive monitored security system. Ahh those were the days. Sorry for the thread deviation, I am just making a point.

Originally Posted by Rushy

The premises that cannot be broken into and the physical and electronic security system that cannot be overcome have both yet to be designed. I spent several years proving to people that the thousands of dollars they had spent on their security could be easily overcome. I recall one particularly wealthy individual spitting the dummy big time when I demonstrated that I could get into the middle of his highly secure fourth floor Remuera apartment and remove his most prized possession right under the eyes of his really expensive monitored security system. Ahh those were the days. Sorry for the thread deviation, I am just making a point.

and you Sir are right on the money-whats the old saying -the first man invents a foolproof system-the second comes along and finds the holes in it.
yes people need to understand -to the committed scum security is simply a series of obstacles to be overcome on your way to removing your ill gotten gains
universities of crime-Paremomo,Mt Eden Paparoa all no doubt offer easily accessed knowledge and tuition in this.
congrats to his honour who sent Russell Tully ,the ashburton shooter down for 27yrs+-mind you should have got another five for an illegal firearm,but either way it puts a self entitled prick outta circulation for a good spell.

Originally Posted by Rushy

The premises that cannot be broken into and the physical and electronic security system that cannot be overcome have both yet to be designed. I spent several years proving to people that the thousands of dollars they had spent on their security could be easily overcome. I recall one particularly wealthy individual spitting the dummy big time when I demonstrated that I could get into the middle of his highly secure fourth floor Remuera apartment and remove his most prized possession right under the eyes of his really expensive monitored security system. Ahh those were the days. Sorry for the thread deviation, I am just making a point.

Point agreed.

People too often lull themselves into a false sense of security by relying on only one aspect of security alone (e.g. the alarm system or the tough safe). The safe for example, should be the absolute last layer of security and the criminal should have expended a lot of time, effort and preferably have drawn attention to themselves in the process of even reaching it, let alone attempting to access the contents.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Point agreed.

People too often lull themselves into a false sense of security by relying on only one aspect of security alone (e.g. the alarm system or the tough safe). The safe for example, should be the absolute last layer of security and the criminal should have expended a lot of time, effort and preferably have drawn attention to themselves in the process of even reaching it, let alone attempting to access the contents.

Good security is about defence in depth. Deter, Delay, Detect and Detain. Make the offenders think twice and not want to take the risk (think warning signs, fences, locks, bars, lighting etc), then make it as hard as fuck for them to get in (again bars, locks, hinge bolts, dogs etc) , then catch them in the act (electronic alarm / CCTV detection, alarm monitoring etc) and then make it as hard as fuck for them to get out ( deadlocks etc). Take an holistic approach to your security and the criminals will find somewhere easier to go.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Good security is about defence in depth. Deter, Delay, Detect and Detain. Make the offenders think twice and not want to take the risk (think warning signs, fences, locks, bars, lighting etc), then make it as hard as fuck for them to get in (again bars, locks, hinge bolts, dogs etc) , then catch them in the act (electronic alarm / CCTV detection, alarm monitoring etc) and then make it as hard as fuck for them to get out ( deadlocks etc). Take an holistic approach to your security and the criminals will find somewhere easier to go.

And even then, as bitter experience has taught me, one's security can still be defeated.

Originally Posted by Ryan

And even then, as bitter experience has taught me, one's security can still be defeated.

Yep. Like I said, the premises and security that can't be breached have yet to be designed.

Originally Posted by Rushy

Yep. Like I said, the premises and security that can't be breached have yet to be designed.

Fort Knox has held up quite well so far.

Restrict working space around the safe if you can. Hide the safe if you can. Don't hang out with scum. Have insurance.


These 4 things will help immensely and I'd add

Don't talk guns with your unknown colleagues
Don't put "I like guns" stickers on your truck
Load them into said truck inside the garage if you can

I'm not naturally a secret squirrel kind of guy but it is better to be discreet IMO

Originally Posted by 308

Restrict working space around the safe if you can. Hide the safe if you can. Don't hang out with scum. Have insurance.


These 4 things will help immensely and I'd add

Don't talk guns with your unknown colleagues
Don't put "I like guns" stickers on your truck
Load them into said truck inside the garage if you can

I'm not naturally a secret squirrel kind of guy but it is better to be discreet IMO

And be careful what details you show on here as anyone can look.

Originally Posted by tetawa

And be careful what details you show on here as anyone can look.

Dead right, I personally don't own a single firearm so there, leave me alone. I have a giggle at other forums where the posters list what they own. Pissing contest or shopping list?
The other giveaway is posting links on here to TradeMe auto sales, (sorry to those that post here). Doesn't require much sleuthing to... well most will get the idea.

Originally Posted by 308

Restrict working space around the safe if you can. Hide the safe if you can. Don't hang out with scum. Have insurance.


These 4 things will help immensely and I'd add

Don't talk guns with your unknown colleagues
Don't put "I like guns" stickers on your truck
Load them into said truck inside the garage if you can

I'm not naturally a secret squirrel kind of guy but it is better to be discreet IMO

Plus don't be member of a Facebook sell/exchange group!