Thread: And so it goes on...

Originally Posted by 308

"which included modernising the legislation"

Does that mean that we can do something sensible like classing all Ar15s as A-cats and reserve the E-cat classification for people who use only large capacity mags of 60 rounds or more?

Or making a firearm usage crime count as two out of three strikes for criminals?

@308 and @gadgetman

It pains me to say this.

We are not going to win ANY lifting of magazine capacity restrictions as regards A/E cat categorisation. You can currently rapid fire 8 rounds in a semi auto rifle, quite fast fire 11 rounds in a Lee or a .22 semi-auto. That's the ceiling and whether we admit it or not there's a rationale behind that particular restriction. Arguing otherwise just causes loss of credibility.

The passive-aggressive frankly stupid type of legislation such as that free-standing grips, "flash hiders" and bayonet lugs is an easier target as they arguably have nothing to do with public safety, everything to do with gun hate... on a par with, say, a suggestion that all sporting guns must be PINK!

Originally Posted by Cordite

@308 and @gadgetman

It pains me to say this.

We are not going to win ANY lifting of magazine capacity restrictions as regards A/E cat categorisation. You can currently rapid fire 8 rounds in a semi auto rifle, quite fast fire 11 rounds in a Lee or a .22 semi-auto. That's the ceiling and whether we admit it or not there's a rationale behind that particular restriction. Arguing otherwise just causes loss of credibility.

The passive-aggressive frankly stupid type of legislation such as that free-standing grips, "flash hiders" and bayonet lugs is an easier target as they arguably have nothing to do with public safety, everything to do with gun hate... on a par with, say, a suggestion that all sporting guns must be PINK!

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The whole MSSA thing was just a move "to be seen to be doing something" rather than fixing the actual issues that existed. Police already had the powers/legislation to fix the issues before the incidents, and were warned that they should use those powers before something happened. Police had to ask for measures like this to take away attention from themselves for their systematic failure to act in a timely manner. Full scrutiny was avoided. The Mahon Report into the Erebus Disaster was still relatively fresh and I don't think they wanted anything like that looking at them.

Originally Posted by Cordite

@308 and @gadgetman

It pains me to say this.

We are not going to win ANY lifting of magazine capacity restrictions as regards A/E cat categorisation. You can currently rapid fire 8 rounds in a semi auto rifle, quite fast fire 11 rounds in a Lee or a .22 semi-auto. That's the ceiling and whether we admit it or not there's a rationale behind that particular restriction. Arguing otherwise just causes loss of credibility.

The passive-aggressive frankly stupid type of legislation such as that free-standing grips, "flash hiders" and bayonet lugs is an easier target as they arguably have nothing to do with public safety, everything to do with gun hate... on a par with, say, a suggestion that all sporting guns must be PINK!

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