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Act has a once in a lifetime chance to be a genuine 12 to 15% party going forward, with real say on the way this country is run.Quote:
Originally Posted by BSA
If Seymour forgets who gave him most of his current support and extra MP's, we can drop him as fast as we supported him.
He will know that from the winston example...
The current announcements from whomever, remind me of GP yacht racing. One crew takes off to Port (left hand side for you landlubbers) and the rest invariably follow to ‘cover’, being No 1 rule in racing. Next minute some other crew charges to Starboard (yes, right hand side - well done!) and other crews follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Got-ya
TBH, I’m fast losing faith in the lot of them. I expected honesty, integrity and commitment from those I favoured, but am quite disappointed in the watering down of initial stances.
One thing I don't hear many saying is we used to have a 'firearm registry' in NZ - I remember either picking up a 'permit to procure' or I was getting the gun I'd just bought inspected by the Firearms Officer at Lower Hutt when a report came over the radio of a gang stoush. The officer said words to the effect they should just leave the buggers to sort their own shit out.
To buy a gun you went to the cops and got a permit to procure - you told them what you were buying, and what for.
You then presented that 'permit' to whoever you were buying off - and they filled it in.
The next step was to take the gun and filled in Permit to the local Arms Officer and have it physically checked.
The Arms Officer then typed out a 'Certificate of Registration of Firearm' - and in 1980 you paid $6 for the privilege.
In 1967, Registration cost 10s ......... or $1.
The police didn't seem to care how many guns you had - just as long as you followed the rules.
With the bolt out I could carry my gun on the bus or train - or walk through a city with one.
My motorbike shit itself at the foot of the Rimutaka's and I had to walk home - to Taita. I carried my pack and rifle through Upper Hutt and got 'looked over' several times by a passing police cruiser. They watched me walk at least 20 miles and not once did they stop to check - I should have stuck my thumb out. That was a thirty mile walk, my legs 'twanged' like crazy when I got home.
In those days - the Police had a record of your guns and you had a record of your guns - typewritten on paper.
I don't know when they chucked 'Registration' - I did hear it had got expensive, or was time consuming - maybe both .............. they had no computers back then.
Nowdays they got computers and they think it will work betterer.
And of cause .............. we had the big Christchurch thing - and a Leader who just wanted guns gone - we were a dangerous pack of bastards.
Or ............. was it about making a statement to the world ?
And now I've written all that - am I just stating something so obvious no one bothers talking about it .......... I'm starting to feel a bit foolish ................. :ORLY:
Was all set to vote for ACT but after recent events I wouldn't give him the steam off my pissQuote:
Originally Posted by BSA
As somebody that avoids news to keep sanity, what recent events?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mm Rem Mag
You seem to be forgetting its all about votes. We should have learnt buy now that come election time all of them are gunna do all these wonderful things for us then once they have your vote you can piss off for 3 years sucker, time and time again. Vote on their track record not what they are gunna do for you....
Stay the course fellahs.
He sacked half of his collegues for having an opinion, not a good start going forward and as stated above already talking about not repelling the regestration.Quote:
Originally Posted by STC
What else are you voting him in for? Putting the retirement age up to 67? Or something else?
I seem to remember everyone going on about voting NZ first a few years back because they were for the firearms licience holders and how did that end up?
National are Labour in a blue shirt. Nothing will change , the words will be differant but the intent will be the same . The WEF rules either party leadership , and whoever wins will tow the line accordingly.
The world we knew pre-6 years ago is a distant memory and is not coming back.
Slow learner?Quote:
Originally Posted by winchesterM69A
Not wanting to get political, just explain the system:
No matter who you vote for its important to understand how "The System" works.
One peculiarity of our system is that, even if a shitload of people abstain from voting, or a shitload of voters vote for a myriad of small or tiny parties, we ALWAYS end up with 120 seats filled in the house.
How can that be? with the 2020 event there were 8% of voters who went with small parties that didn't make the 5% threshold. So that's 8% of votes that went up in a puff of smoke, as those 8% didn't get even one seat. 8% should equate to 9.8 seats.
So instead of votes counting towards seats in Parliament, the votes end up being turned into percentages, so they ALWAYS fill the 120 seats, despite 18% of eligible voters not voting, and 8% of voters voting for a party that did not make the 5% threshold.
So every vote doesn't count. Otherwise there would be 26% of Parliament empty, cause 26% of eligible voters didn't vote for those bums in those seats.
Yeah, three small outfits won an electorate seat, but that doesn't skew what I have explained too much, rough as it is.
So it pays to understand the system.
So you should vote for the likely largest party who will make the likely biggest difference? And not give your single issue vote to a likely small or not represented party?Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
Well to be fair, he didn't sack all of them. One resigned (he chose to accept that resignation which to be fair was probably the best outcome), another went off in a mental tailspin involving a complete brain fart. I dunno - I think blaming Seymour for those sorts of personality failures is a bit hard as everyone can look normal and pass a screening up to the time the pressure comes on. It's a good example of why politicians and regulators shouldn't get too lyrical about the numbers of firearms licence holders that can't comply with the basic duties as by and large firearms licence holders are the least-represented group of Kiwi's on the naughty list.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mm Rem Mag
also to be fair when comments along the lines of what was shown.....he had to do "something" or be seen to sponser borderline nutters.
he still will get my vote..... as long as they get some decent numbers in seats,they CAN make a difference....they CAN moderate or tweak the policies of thier partner...... SOME influence sure as shit beats NO influence...and that my friends is our two choices. ITS THAT SIMPLE.
That's my take on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
But it makes it hard on budding parties trying to get over the start line...
Yeah - that's about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Labour and National will always attract the larger vote numbers.
If you think the main party you are 'inline' with is not totally on board with your 'hopes and aspirations' for a decent future, you vote in a 'conscience' to pull them in line ...... ie, ACT or Greens.
Act will not go with Labour .......... and Greens will not go with National.
Winston (NZ First) will go where the 'baubles' are - regardless of what he says, and that's a shame - because he sees things how they are.
You're throwing away your vote on the others .......... but we all have the 'right' do do that.
And I read somewhere - and it's true, that if a Law is put in place - a change in government very, very seldom repeals it, and that's been shown time and time again. It will have to prove itself a 'dumb and expensive idea' before it gets booted.
Removing laws put in place by other parties when they are in government hasn't been that common an event - as the party has to replace it with something.
My theory of picking the political party I'm going to vote for is look for the policy promises I absolutely don't agree with and which obviously won't work first - that culls the pool of prospective vote-getters right down for me straight off. Then I look at the policies I just don't like as no advantage for me, and generally these line up with the parties that have a history of doing things that do not improve my personal situation at all. After that, if there's any parties left I generally can start looking at the policies I like the most haha - usually this is a ridiculously short list.
I think we need to remember this country is our home, there needs to be things in place that nourish us - our outdoors, our liberties, care for our health and beliefs, education, chosen way of life and so on.
There are those who will put a monetary value on those things and will sell what we take for granted, or will give it away. The liberties we take for granted will be limited, or removed - we are seeing that now.
We are a 'humanitarian' nation, we take in those who have been evicted from their own homes - and in doing so we are diluting our customary values as we conscientiously adopt or make way for theirs.
We also take in those who have money - we need their money to help our economy.
One day it will not be our country - it will be theirs.
We are not alone, that is happening across the world - we watch it on the television every day. The NZ our youth is growing up in is not the NZ I grew up in - our youth will never know the 'freedoms' I experienced - they are gone.
Taxing the wealthy will change fuck all, but educating the stupid might help.
We have lost the 'greater picture' in our pursuit of 'want' and greed - we want what everyone else has ......... and we are 'promised'.
Every election we are 'promised' - and I see the things I took for granted diminished or gone - because it had a value to someone.
And lately - it was to make a 'statement' to the world.
Our 'world future' doesn't look particularly promising - China wants Taiwan, Russia wants Ukraine and the whole of Europe is affected, and not in a good way. Our biggest trading partner is our biggest threat and we are making our troops 'combat ready'.
I'm bored now .....................
sounds bad but making our troops combat ready for what? what's going to happen? Our cops have been getting pointers on aggressive enforcement what's up with that? Is there a country In the world we could take on and defeat?
might find out where our ars went :XD:
What? Both of them :omg:Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
I suspect not, but Andrew Little thinks so , he'e the one planning on buying new hats and shit for when China blockades Taiwan in 2027 - I think he intends to stop them.Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
He was on TV talking about it not so long ago .................
That's fuckin scary - I thought we had twice that many :oh noes:Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
Eloquently put, Mr SF90...Quote:
Originally Posted by SF90
Well, no. The one is doing a driver training course, back to full strength next month.Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
pretty sure Mike Loder (RIP) proved that police count cut down guns as pistols. They technically are pistols according to the law but not pistols in the sense of a glock etcQuote:
Originally Posted by tac a1
@XR500 you’ll be getting a letter to step up againQuote:
Originally Posted by outlander
And they'll be getting a F O!!! letter back:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Besides, my reserve engagement ran out a decade ago...and I hit retirement age in a couple of years.
But if they want me to show them where they went wrong, I'm more than happy to oblige:omg:
Na thats our air force.Quote:
Originally Posted by SF90
These days you can die for your country at any age, as shown in the Ukraine - it's actually the way it's always been. You can die sitting, running away, hiding or fighting back - lots of ways to die in a war.Quote:
Originally Posted by XR500
Because we can still probably throw a grenade it's either 'front line' for you and me - or due to our advanced age (pathetic throw) we can go and smash beer bottles on the beaches where we think they might land.
The 'Homeguard' did that on the beach at Wainuiomata during WW2 as they saw it as a place where the Japanese might land. They cycled from Wellington with sacks of beer bottles on their back, over the hill and out to the coast.
That's quite a long way - they must have been buggered.
NZ has lots and lots of unprotected coastline, we are virtually indefensible - so, our best defence is to attack.
America (and Switzerland) has always recognised a strong militia poses a serious deterrent to an attacker. Any militia we might have had has been de-knackered - so that's out ........ we must attack
Ummn ........... how many boats have we got ............ and where the fuck is China ??
And that's just hypothesising, we will surrender - in fact, I think we've already done it :)
We dont even need to be attacked all they need to do now is cut off our fuel supply. We do have a tactic up our sleve with our airforce. Land one of our planes at someone elses air port and it breaks down there taking up space...:)
Just got an ACT email saying they will be scrapping Firearms Registry.
What sort of plane have we got ?
Funny you mentioned that. I think it was pointed out at the time they shutttered Marsden Point - the reply was there isn't a predictable threat of maritime strife that may result in a breakdown of supply lines... Hmmm how's that working out?Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
Peter jacksons got the most up to date ones...
This country in recent times has pretended no 'physical' threat exists - we rely on diplomacy.
Part of that 'diplomacy' includes we aren't seen as getting too close to potential allies (Aussie and America) - we are an ostrich with its head in the sand.
Our potential enemies play the game and suck us into a false sense of security - "Yeah, we'll buy your spuds."
As you said - we got rid of Marsden Point ............ what a brilliant thing to do, some clever bugger forgot about the 'dry ice' it produced and made us dependent on importing it.
We did the same with coal.
During WW2 the Scandinavian countries had no fuel resources, they relied on imports. When imported fuel dried up they reverted to wood gasifiers to power transport. Wood gasifiers weren't popular, they required a degree of physical exertion and some specific knowledge to make them work - but they did keep essentials operating.
Wood Gasifiers can operate transport, both diesel and petrol and generators to produce electricity - they kept those countries operating, food and other essential supplies was delivered.
Sweden and Denmark's independence (relative) relied on them doing shit for themselves - and they did it. Wood gasification is ready to be rolled out should such another shitty eventuality occur.
We are at the butt end of nowhere, we are not a threat to anyone - so we tell ourselves.
But I look at the immigrants and wonder what they tell their friends in those fucked over countries they escaped from.
We do not 'fix' those countries, they're usually fucked because of internal strife created by Russia and America - and so the flood of refugees continues.
Those countries are fucked because they have oil, or something else the major players want - and it's been like that for a very long time.
We are a country with a tiny population (by world standards) with a vast food growing potential - we have got to be highly attractive to someone.
I watched a doco on the Aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan - and that vessel could conquer NZ on it's own. It has better attack power and better defences - and that brought home a realisation - all we have is diplomacy.
I actually see it fly over the central NI once a month. It's a bit like a Harvard from the 60's. Faster than a Cessna 180 and noisier than my neighbours tractor.Quote:
Originally Posted by SF90
Peter Jackson has a Fokker DR1 - wonder if it's that ?
We USED to have a strategic economic statement (as a Nation) that we would always hold 90 days oil reserves in case of a "WTF" situation. That got pricey (for the people who like making extraordinary profits) so they begged to be able to have some of that strategic oil reserve reside in.....tankers at sea.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
All fine and dandy till its not.
Nope. I'm pretty bloody sure that it only has one wing...unless two fell off over Hawera.Quote:
Originally Posted by SF90
Can we see the email. I do not believe that Act can scrap it even if they want to more than anything else. NZ signed a UN agreement to introduce a recording system for privately held small arms. This NZ dept of internal affairs document I posted in a deleted thread along with excerpts from our Minister for Disarmament (Phil Tyford) speech. I wont post it again as anytime a UN related document is posted on the Forum the thread gets deleted, even when it is of NZ govt origin. Perhaps there are UN forum police in our midst ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SF90