Thread: Support for tighter Acat storage

We could also add pistol owners to this list. Why really would you want a pistol? An AR is a very good pest control rifle but I could argue that pistols having no legitimate hunting use. They are often black, high capacity and therefore attract the wrong type of people. Just look at statistics and you will find they are used in far more murders than rifles. It's the same type of logic...

Originally Posted by Macca

Recent proposes to law changes regarding firearms has caused quite a stir and caused many to be very vocal about their opinions, some of which are more drastic than others. One point I've always looked at and thought needed improving was basic storage requirements of A category firearms.

Current standards approved by I have no idea who, But enforced by police (to their dismay) allow things such as a simple mild steel eye bolt into a wall stud with a wire cable etc to attach firearms, a basic stamped metal cabinet that could be cut with tin snips, or even just a cable around hot water cylinder pipes etc. Let's be honest here and agree that these options are pathetic (and most Acat safes) and we can do better than that as a community to protect out hobbies and investments.

What's wrong with making stout (ie more than 1mm Acat safes) boxes/safes which are securely attached to walls/floors a mandatory requirement and ditching the minimum? Such as how we do our Ecat/Bcat. I get cost may play a factor, but if we're spending thousands and thousands on our firearms then we can invest in secure storage.

Another touchy subject is making all semi autos (.22 and shotguns etc excluded) into Ecat or a new class where a process similar to permit to preclude must be followed. Because what semi autos do you hunt with that aren't ar15/AK derivatives? I only vaguely support this because any Joe Bloggs with a FAL can buy an Acat Ar15/AK and then buy a 30 round mag on the same licence (pretty sure you don't even need a licence?) And then sell it onto a criminal. Please don't come at us with the usual "police should do a better job vetting", and "they need to make longer sentences", because we need to do our part as well to protect our sport and future.

Please add your ideas and solutions as to what changes can be made to have a middle ground between us and police/anti gunners to make all parties happy.

No amount of protection is going to stop shit cunts. Let's stop people from being shit cunts.

Originally Posted by Ryan

No amount of protection is going to stop shit cunts. Let's stop people from being shit cunts.

only way to do that is to execute all the shit ppl to begin with to stop them breeding. lets put bromide in all of NZs water supply

Originally Posted by Paddy79

only way to do that is to execute all the shit ppl to begin with to stop them breeding. lets put bromide in all of NZs water supply

Your on to it!,

Originally Posted by Maca49

Your on to it!,

If only they did it sooner I wouldn't have 4 daughters to worry about but alas they didn't and I do, bugger
pull out theory didn't work as planned aye

Originally Posted by Paddy79

If only they did it sooner I wouldn't have 4 daughters to worry about but alas they didn't and I do, bugger
pull out theory didn't work as planned aye

Bit of a cock up huh?

Theres some shit safes out there , I was recently at a mates place I said lets go & ping a few bunnies with the 22 he replied that he had lost the key for the padlock , five minutes latter with a pare of plyer,s ...doors open just one of those shit locker type things , bloody joke & it had been inspected & passed ,something like that any retard could get into & he had recently had trouble with small amounts of cash going missing off the table one week the next his lawn mower went missing ,exactly the sort of scenario where his guns could go missing to FFS , thankfully after that hes ordered a decent safe.

Originally Posted by tetawa

I have a great idea, how about some tough sentences for those who break in and steal legally owned firearms. The Arms Act is strict enough on firearm security, we need a few decent sentence's for the offenders plus more police available other than for issuing over the speed limit infringement notices.

I agree about tougher penalties however, the Arms Act is certainly not strict enough (as you put it) on A-Cat security. Way over due for a total revision. I've seen many hundreds of pathetic, yet currently legal security set ups for A-Cat firearms. That being so there must be many thousands of similar dismal security arrangements throughout the country.

One pleasing aspect is that the younger generation, newer licence holders are generally far more likely to have decent security than many of us older goats in my experience.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Dont agree. NZ police have proven to be ok with breaking the law, reinterpreting the law, and just plain making shit up when it comes to firearms legislation. They dont need any more freedom.

Whether it be a car, electronic data, money, or firearms. given enough time and skill, it WILL be taken. Lets start punishing the pricks with a meaningful sentence.

So you're quite happy with the current A-Cat security laws because the police in your opinion are corrupt? That even beats my wife's logic.
Well done.

I agree with increased security for A cats.

We have to realize the responsibility for firearms not falling into the hands of Criminals is both a Public and Police matter.My work gear in in a alarmed shed,expensive tools in a lock box,with the Tractor forks ontop and a truck parked across the entrance.This is to stop it getting nicked because the Police can't.

Originally Posted by Macca

Recent proposes to law changes regarding firearms has caused quite a stir and caused many to be very vocal about their opinions, some of which are more drastic than others. One point I've always looked at and thought needed improving was basic storage requirements of A category firearms.

Current standards approved by I have no idea who, But enforced by police (to their dismay) allow things such as a simple mild steel eye bolt into a wall stud with a wire cable etc to attach firearms, a basic stamped metal cabinet that could be cut with tin snips, or even just a cable around hot water cylinder pipes etc. Let's be honest here and agree that these options are pathetic (and most Acat safes) and we can do better than that as a community to protect out hobbies and investments.

What's wrong with making stout (ie more than 1mm Acat safes) boxes/safes which are securely attached to walls/floors a mandatory requirement and ditching the minimum? Such as how we do our Ecat/Bcat. I get cost may play a factor, but if we're spending thousands and thousands on our firearms then we can invest in secure storage.

Another touchy subject is making all semi autos (.22 and shotguns etc excluded) into Ecat or a new class where a process similar to permit to preclude must be followed. Because what semi autos do you hunt with that aren't ar15/AK derivatives? I only vaguely support this because any Joe Bloggs with a FAL can buy an Acat Ar15/AK and then buy a 30 round mag on the same licence (pretty sure you don't even need a licence?) And then sell it onto a criminal. Please don't come at us with the usual "police should do a better job vetting", and "they need to make longer sentences", because we need to do our part as well to protect our sport and future.

Please add your ideas and solutions as to what changes can be made to have a middle ground between us and police/anti gunners to make all parties happy.

" I don't know the key to success,but the key to failure is trying to make everybody happy".
Given that the anti gunners are just that. Anti gun. Any gun at all. Thin end of wedge territory.

Given that its reasonably easy for a determined thief to break into a safe, wouldnt it be better to hide the guns better. I have a mate who wanted to hide his rifle in the roof cavity. Had them chained up in there. He was told by his AO he needed a safe. Fair enough but if a random burglar enters a house and finds a gun safe, its like a neon sign saying "Guns Here!!"

The last few gun burglaries I have personally heard of locally, the safes have either been physically removed from the house (a safe was chainsawed out of a house and carried off, on my street) and an E cat safe that was cut open and emptied. Talking to local police/AO over the years it seems that it is a common theme for the district, if they can't open your safe, they'll take the whole thing.

Originally Posted by Beavis

The last few gun burglaries I have personally heard of locally, the safes have either been physically removed from the house (a safe was chainsawed out of a house and carried off, on my street) and an E cat safe that was cut open and emptied. Talking to local police/AO over the years it seems that it is a common theme for the district, if they can't open your safe, they'll take the whole thing.

I keep hearing about this chainsaw thing, But looking at my securoty it would be impossible to remove due to steel plate under floor running over to the next 2 rooms etc, so you'd need to demolish multiple walls too. Seems like it would take them too long and get a tap on the shoulder from police before they finish.

Wouldn't it just be easier for them to stand you over?

Originally Posted by Macca

I keep hearing about this chainsaw thing, But looking at my securoty it would be impossible to remove due to steel plate under floor running over to the next 2 rooms etc, so you'd need to demolish multiple walls too. Seems like it would take them too long and get a tap on the shoulder from police before they finish.

Wouldn't it just be easier for them to stand you over?

Who are 'them' and how would they know you had guns and where they were?

Originally Posted by systolic

Who are 'them' and how would they know you had guns and where they were?

When u get woken up at night with a gun/knife up up your nostril or your kids n they/them say 'you gotta gun bro' n you say 'yep, help yourself....' I don't advertise it but people talk, quite often target shoot n close proximity of my house...shit will happen


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