Thread: surrender your FAL

Talking to the son of a friend last night over dinner. He registered a change of address as required (has a FAL but no guns). Apparently, as he was moving into a rental apartment in which he could not install a gun safe he was asked to surrender his licence or face arrest.

Apparently the new law changes require FAL holders to have secure storage, and without it, you don't have the right to hold the licence. Sort of makes sense, but seems OTT.

I can understand the view point but it is complete nonsense.

But you must have secure storage where you live even if you don't have any firearms where you live.
My mate was told the same, as he holds a FAL but doesn't own any firearms.

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The licence vetters can apply discretion to this. They did with my son very recently when he renewed his licence. He doesn't currently own any but occasionally uses some of mine.

Shit.
I know a person who lives abroad and holds a NZ Firearms licence as well as a NZ drivers licence. Will he/she need to surrender both as they do not own a car or a gun in New Zealand?

Such grace, much kindness, totally transparent, big hug.

Just one of the reasons I had the storage in the caravan signed off.

Just show them a chain, padlock and hot water cylinder as that is allowed for security.

Really???

Padlock + chain + hot water cylinder.

A commercial bracket screwed to joist won't get noticed on a flat/house inspection.

B cat FAL is a different story of course.

Originally Posted by Cordite

Really???

Padlock + chain + hot water cylinder.

A commercial bracket screwed to joist won't get noticed on a flat/house inspection.

B cat FAL is a different story of course.

Yes really for one rifle is fine I was told by the local arms officer here

This is the reason farmlands got out of selling ammo, it wasn't the issue of all staff needing a FAL it was all staff needed a safe at home to hold a FAL

Originally Posted by schwen

Talking to the son of a friend last night over dinner. He registered a change of address as required (has a FAL but no guns). Apparently, as he was moving into a rental apartment in which he could not install a gun safe he was asked to surrender his licence or face arrest.

Apparently the new law changes require FAL holders to have secure storage, and without it, you don't have the right to hold the licence. Sort of makes sense, but seems OTT.

I don't think this is anything new. If you have an FAL you can at any moment acquire a firearm. Therefore you must have a mechanism for safely securing it. While that does not encompass the question of how many firearms you may need storage for, showing security for even one at least shows you understand the responsibility of an FAL holder, I guess. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think secure storage for at least one firearm has always been required..

Originally Posted by Jhon

I don't think this is anything new. If you have an FAL you can at any moment acquire a firearm. Therefore you must have a mechanism for safely securing it. While that does not encompass the question of how many firearms you may need storage for, showing security for even one at least shows you understand the responsibility of an FAL holder, I guess. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think secure storage for at least one firearm has always been required..

However.

A LFO could purchase a firearm imeadiatly before embarking on a hunting trip, then upon return gift said firearm to another LFO who has a safe.

What consitutes secure storage in Fijordland?

The suggestion of a padlock, chain and hot water cylinder seems a sensible one if they are not willing to except that any firearms will be stored at your place.

Following along you must need a garage now if you apply for a drivers licence ??

This has always been the case but has previously not been enforced to the letter.

Until very recently with the shambles of relicencing it was required for the applicants firearms to be stored at another FAL holders safe while the relicencing process was completed, seems that if that was okay with the police then for securing firearms then holding a FAL and keeping your firearm in another safe should be okay now. The safe keeping of a firearm should be on merit and assessed for each individual by the plods, and not a blanket decree is which is not efficient at all. My son will apply next April and I'll give him his own safe at my residence (and his residence) and a rifle he can call his own for licencing purposes if that is what is required.