Thread: Trade me has firearms database

Funny how I cannot even sort my wife's eftpos card at the bank on a joint account that we both have signing rights to, "because of privacy".But the govt can give it away, whos protecting what?

so next time you ask question etc on trademe....put in false number and see what happens...

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

so next time you ask question etc on trademe....put in false number and see what happens...

I've done that. I got a please explain email.

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Originally Posted by stretch

I've done that. I got a please explain email.

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Me too.

And that was several years ago now.

One of the reasons I stopped buying firearms or even asking questions about firearms on Trade Me.

Cheers
Pete

So does this mean we don't need to do the paperwork if trade me is insuring everyone asking a question or bidding has a verified licence.... I'm kidding but what's the pointing them doing it if we need the forms filled out and signed by the arms officer anyway

Originally Posted by 223nut

So does this mean we don't need to do the paperwork if trade me is insuring everyone asking a question or bidding has a verified licence.... I'm kidding but what's the pointing them doing it if we need the forms filled out and signed by the arms officer anyway

I'm guessing the point is so trademe can put up their hand and say we tried our best when guns are illegally obtained.
Wouldn't surprise me if they paid for the programming, buying good PR and ensuring continued sales of firearms and related products for profit by proving they're not facilitating illegal transactions

Originally Posted by Nibblet

I'm guessing the point is so trademe can put up their hand and say we tried our best when guns are illegally obtained.
Wouldn't surprise me if they paid for the programming, buying good PR and ensuring continued sales of firearms and related products for profit by proving they're not facilitating illegal transactions

I'd say this is absolutely possible. But is that the case?

Originally Posted by 223nut

So does this mean we don't need to do the paperwork if trade me is insuring everyone asking a question or bidding has a verified licence.... I'm kidding but what's the pointing them doing it if we need the forms filled out and signed by the arms officer anyway

@223nut,

Police forms are not required for a TradeMe purchase when you pick up the item yourself, so the TradeMe system adds a recorded verification step for local deals too.

I agree re TradeMe staff's poor knowledge. Like traders being forced to sell a standard SMLE mag as "5-round magazine". Unbelievable!

Do what you will with the following information, but trade-me does not have access to the register. What they have is a Program that verifies against a register, you type in your name and firearms number and it reports a simple yes or no.

At no point can a trademe staff member jump on and start mining firearms register data. As long as it is done with a decent level of security the service itself should be reasonably robust. Banks, insurance companies and fintech firms use similar stuff all over the world.

Now, the issue arises with what trademe does with the information you input, is it logged?, and is it accessible to the service staff? This could be an issue however this is actually no worse than what is already possible. They already have your name, address and if you have ever bought a firearm, your license number. If they wanted to compile a list of people to rob they could do so right now, very effectively.

Like it or not checks like this are the future, and given that trademe cant request your information if you don't have faith in the service, don't use it, and you wont be at risk.

Personally I think it is a reasonably robust way of raising security around dodgy firearms trades, and a decent way for trademe to ensure those using its service are doing so legally. The Mail order form is great but is only as good as the people volunteering to use it, and TBH could be relatively easily exploited with this new email service by anyone with half a brain and a computer.

If you feel it is a breach of your privacy then thats fine, but lets at least have a look at the actual facts before we get the pitchforks out. Sensationalism helps noone

Originally Posted by Nick-D

Do what you will with the following information, but trade-me does not have access to the register. What they have is a Program that verifies against a register, you type in your name and firearms number and it reports a simple yes or no.

At no point can a trademe staff member jump on and start mining firearms register data. As long as it is done with a decent level of security the service itself should be reasonably robust. Banks, insurance companies and fintech firms use similar stuff all over the world.

Now, the issue arises with what trademe does with the information you input, is it logged?, and is it accessible to the service staff? This could be an issue however this is actually no worse than what is already possible. They already have your name, address and if you have ever bought a firearm, your license number. If they wanted to compile a list of people to rob they could do so right now, very effectively.

Like it or not checks like this are the future, and given that trademe cant request your information if you don't have faith in the service, don't use it, and you wont be at risk.

Personally I think it is a reasonably robust way of raising security around dodgy firearms trades, and a decent way for trademe to ensure those using its service are doing so legally. The Mail order form is great but is only as good as the people volunteering to use it, and TBH could be relatively easily exploited with this new email service by anyone with half a brain and a computer.

If you feel it is a breach of your privacy then thats fine, but lets at least have a look at the actual facts before we get the pitchforks out. Sensationalism helps noone

I understand what you're saying and you're right. However the issue I have is that only Trademe has this access. What does that cost tax payers to give them that access? Why does only trademe get that access and not all firearm dealers, or the likes of gunstuff, firearmtrader etc etc.

Are trademe paying for it? Doubt it.

Fact is there has been no debate on the matter , im not happy for the cops to just think its ok to shear information like that without a bloody good reason & they don't have a good enough reason to do so as has been pointed out its the police forms that stop any illegal transaction , & then take the new firearms trader I haven't completed a trade on there but so far no licence number required , I don't see a problem with that as its the police form or visual sighting of a licence before any deals are done .

Originally Posted by Boaraxa

Fact is there has been no debate on the matter , im not happy for the cops to just think its ok to shear information like that without a bloody good reason & they don't have a good enough reason to do so as has been pointed out its the police forms that stop any illegal transaction , & then take the new firearms trader I haven't completed a trade on there but so far no licence number required , I don't see a problem with that as its the police form or visual sighting of a licence before any deals are done .

Well they aren't really sharing the information, they are allowing trade me to verify information you volunteer. The police form is a decent system, but it is by no means fool proof. This would add another layer of security to the largest firearms trading platform without any real extra risk or impingment on our rights/privileged. Personally I think that once we get past the sensationalism it's a worthwhile notion.

The key here is the fact that the I formation must be entered by You, and as such if you don't use it you are not under any perceived risk.

@timattalon nice post in response to@Taff it's what I was getting at and is why I started this thread

Originally Posted by Sideshow

@timattalon nice post in response to@Taff it's what I was getting at and is why I started this thread

While I do not agree with trademe having access, I am inclined to agree in part with @Taff that there is room for improvement. most, if not all, larger and even some smaller gun shops are going to digital data with their register records. In an ideal world all gunshops would have access to this service. In an ideal world there would be no way this information could leak out/ accidentally be emailed or otherwise be release to the people who would use it as a shopping list. In this ideal world, however, it would not be needed as people would obey the law and there would be no problem to fix.

By keeping the discussion civilised and amicable, perhaps there is hope that we can find a solution that will actually work and do more than make a few public servants or Trade me feel like they made a difference with a bit of PR.

@Jexla if that is the case why are they getting the monopoly?