Thread: Trade me has firearms database

Saw this on another thread and thought I'd better start a new thread on it.
Thanks @Ryan
https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-your-details/
@gonetropo has already written to Mrs Bennett could one, here's his letter copy from the other thread (hope you don't mind).

Originally Posted by gonetropo

i just sent the following letter to the privacy commissioner and paula bennett. feel free to copy and paste


It comes as a huge shock that the police have released details of firearms license holders to trademe in an effort to stop illegal firearms trading.
Not only is it a breach of my privacy but its a huge risk that names and addresses will now be held by non sworn police officers and available to a private organisation.
The best firearms security in the world in anonymity, the fact that the unlawful members of the public do not know who has firearms prevents homes being targeted for firearms burglaries.
I find the actions of the police in this case to be reprehensible and very possibly illegal.

I await your reply on this matter.

That's awesome! Im going to send it however i will change the in to is between world and anonymity,
Good shit!!

Sent my own to Bennett and privacy investigation site today, got acknowledgements from both!

Done

I have suspected this for sometime now.

Makes you wonder "Who else has this information"?

Guess I'll also write to the Privacy Commisioner and Paula Bennet and ask.

Cheers
Pete

Originally Posted by P38

I have suspected this for sometime now.

Makes you wonder "Who else has this information"?

Guess I'll also write to the Privacy Commisioner and Paula Bennet and ask.

Cheers
Pete

Anyone who works in a store selling firearms already has access to your details.
I would think this system will be rolled out in the future, you present your license, it's checked on line simply yes or no, its valid.
A lot of fuss about nothing, no one who works at a shop is checked.
What's more worrying is how many customers offer there full address when it is not required.

Originally Posted by Taff

Anyone who works in a store selling firearms already has access to your details.
I would think this system will be rolled out in the future, you present your license, it's checked on line simply yes or no, its valid.
A lot of fuss about nothing, no one who works at a shop is checked.
What's more worrying is how many customers offer there full address when it is not required.

@Taff

How do store employees have access to my firearms details?

Cheers
Pete

Well it's all in the firearms register
we fill your details in on purchase of a firearm. And when you buy any firearm on line , the police form has your address, also the courier company has your address, you post on a forum your I.P. address is available, use any hunting Facebook site ? Easy to trace someone to There home address ( found a guy who owed me money that way, even rang his home number) the days of privacy are over I am afraid.

Originally Posted by Taff

...the days of privacy are over I am afraid.

There's a difference between privacy and anonymity.

An example; privacy is nobody seeing what you do but potentially knowing who you are where as anonymity is nobody knowing who you are but likely able to see what you are doing. If anonymity is desired one should keep actions and activity separate from identity (i.e. non-attribution to actions).

Originally Posted by Taff

Well it's all in the firearms register
we fill your details in on purchase of a firearm. And when you buy any firearm on line , the police form has your address, also the courier company has your address, you post on a forum your I.P. address is available, use any hunting Facebook site ? Easy to trace someone to There home address ( found a guy who owed me money that way, even rang his home number) the days of privacy are over I am afraid.

What you're saying that you're saying isn't exactly the same as what you originally said.....

Originally Posted by Taff

Well it's all in the firearms register
we fill your details in on purchase of a firearm. And when you buy any firearm on line , the police form has your address, also the courier company has your address, you post on a forum your I.P. address is available, use any hunting Facebook site ? Easy to trace someone to There home address ( found a guy who owed me money that way, even rang his home number) the days of privacy are over I am afraid.

That sounds more like data mining rather than having access to my Firearms details.

If Trade Me was supplied my firearms information as suggested here, What information where they supplied. I.e. Just my name and licence number, my address, my endorsements, my list of endorsed firearms?

Not having bought any firearms from shops for a very long time I'm not sure my details are freely available to shops at this stage.

Having posted here on numerous occasions can you trace my IP address and let me know what it is, you can pm with it if you like.

Cheers
Pete

Originally Posted by Taff

Anyone who works in a store selling firearms already has access to your details.
I would think this system will be rolled out in the future, you present your license, it's checked on line simply yes or no, its valid.
A lot of fuss about nothing, no one who works at a shop is checked.
What's more worrying is how many customers offer there full address when it is not required.

If you work in a gunshop then it is likely that you have passed your F / A License and EMPLOYERS will do checks. Because the employer will field responsibility for the security of the information then an employee that is not trusted should not be there. A book cannot be hacked but trade me can be, no matter how secure they claim to be.

Originally Posted by timattalon

If you work in a gunshop then it is likely that you have passed your F / A License and EMPLOYERS will do checks. Because the employer will field responsibility for the security of the information then an employee that is not trusted should not be there. A book cannot be hacked but trade me can be, no matter how secure they claim to be.

I do have A cat, so you trust your gun shop but not people who work for trade me ? No a book cannot be hacked, and neither Can licenses be checked, which is the problem.

Originally Posted by Taff

I do have A cat, so you trust your gun shop but not people who work for trade me ? No a book cannot be hacked, and neither Can licenses be checked, which is the problem.

1st and foremost, I do trust my local gun shops that I go to. One has three staff behind the counter (And I know each one of them) and another has a few more and I know most of them.

Licenses can be checked by actually looking at them. This is the legal requirement. In a shops case they are required to record the details mainly as proof that they checked but also as a way of following up on something. Online, the issue arises because this is NOT possible hence the police form. Now trade me is checking does that mean you wont need the police form??? Not on your life. What Trade me is doing is effectively checking your licence and recording in the same way a shop would if they were to ID you as you walk in the door. The checks are already in place with the police forms and legal requirements. All trade me is doing is a PR stunt that will see it with the biggest criminal supply list ready for hacking. It would be no different from saying someone needs their license to be confirmed and recorded before they can go into a gunshop now. (Hint- Its called phishing as they are using it to gather information- it is what they will do with tht information that scares me. They already sell names etc as lists to other companies)

And trade me staff have proven to me time and time again that they dont have enough common sense between them, or if they do they let the drongo in charge make the decisions. So, No, I do not trust trade me with information. They cannot tell the difference between e-cat a-cat or in one case F-cat (I still dont think we actually have one but I dont know what F-cat is so cannot argue whether an accessory requires that endorsement....) -I think I wanted to call him a F--Cat or similar by the time I finished. Try listing a standard 10 shot 303 mag for a bolt action Lee enfield. It gets pulled as E - cat because they cannot tell if it is for an E act or an A cat rifle so they refuse to allow the listing. If they are going to police a policy, the very least they could do would be learn a little or even check about the subject in question before deciding.

Unfortunately I have had too many mistakes from trade me staff for me to even consider trusting the business. As an advertising medium they are OK. As bureaucrats, secure data storage or policemen , they are sh_t.

It amazes me that the just coughed this information up without thinking of what could happen.
Isn't this ment to go through consultation our some such thing.
I mean really...cool guys knee jerk reaction to cover what???? I mean really it's ok just give this info out to the web runners there safe as houses
Morons