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With the new law changes in firearm transport I need to look at my setup on how I transport it all, mostly is on the ammo. In the past I kept it seperate sometimes in the glove box. Now it needs to be in a locked container/glove box. Unfortunately my shitty car's glove box doesn't lock. What is everyone else using? I believe it says in the arms code "a lockable container"
Should I get a proper ammo tin or just a plastic tackle box?
Metal ammo tin,
Buy a bulk lot of ammo from Belmont. They sell several in ammo tins.
Or $45 dollars at Supercheap for one.
Or a small safe perhaps
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I don't need a large container, so using a plastic waterproof box that can be locked with a padlock. Not very robust, but I'm following the legislation.
Army surplus ammo box with a pin welded to the body in the centre of the latch, so that it will take a lock. cable and combination lock ( not keyed) to secure it to seat frame etc.
in the past when ive carried detonators it only had to be in a wood lined steel box, il have to check if these laws have changed. It never had to be secured down
I am happy to be corrected, but if you d not lave the vehicle unattended, then the lockable storage is not applicible. The locked storage is if you are travelling and have to leave the vehicle unattended at any point.
A lot of small metal tool boxes are lockable so could be of use. Probably end up getting something like this anyway...
https://www.supercheapauto.co.nz/p/s...id=SCN01131101
https://www.supercheapauto.co.nz/p/s...id=SCN01131101
the belmont ammo box doesnt have the pinsQuote:
Originally Posted by ROKTOY
$10 hasp and staple fixes that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by holdover
This is whjat the legislation says:
(d) ammunition must be concealed from view from outside of the vehicle; and
(e) ammunition must be stored separately from any firearms and be in a locked glovebox or similar storage area where practicable.
(3) Any firearms or ammunition may be left unattended in a vehicle during a break in a journey for up to 60 minutes if—
(a) the licence holder remains in the immediate area or vicinity of the vehicle; and
(b) the firearms or ammunition are secured and out of sight; and
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigar
If rifle is locked in car. Lock ammo in boot wrapped in a towel or something and carry bolt on you if you leave the vehicle rendering firearm inoperable.
I guess it comes down to 'where practicable' whatever that means on the day then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigar
I'm fairly new to all of this but it just seems like it's getting over the top. I don't get why you need to lock up your ammo if your driving from home to hunting area to have ammo locked up.
What are you supposed to do when you get to a hut then? Bring a safe and lock everything up?
Imagine that you are involved in a vehicle accident etc and get ambo'ed away - there's your ammo and bolt now sitting on the seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Porter83
If you have a lock box, ammo and bolt are secured to the vehicle and comply. I welcome the changes. Now we have a sensible solution to the problem of leaving your vehicle when transporting firearms
My rifle goes in a soft bag/case with a padlock on the zip. It would take someone seconds to access it if they had a knife, but that is the legislation and I'm following it to the letter. As for ammunition storage, it is ambiguous.
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Having a ute I lock rifles in the canopy and put ammo behind the seat.
Got very dark tints so either cannot be seen but if I'm leaving the ute i take the bolt and throw a jacket over the ammo just in case.
If you cant remove bolt then i believe you need a trigger lock for transport
About two months ago a mate of mine was waved over at a booze checkpoint.
He was dressed in his hunting gear with his headlamp on and said to the officer " In case you are wondering, I have been hunting and I have a firearm in the car" The cop replied that he would like to see it please, and Andrew said " no probs here it is" and turned back the blanket and uncovered it - there was a cable through the action and the rifle was locked to the seat frame. Bolt and ammo were in a lock box similarly secured with cable and lock.
The officer responded " Well it is great to see that someone has been reading up on the new regulations, way you go I dont need to breath check you"
Your ammo doesn't need to be in a locked box in your car.
It's not ambiguous, it's stated plainly.
If you have a lockable glovebox or similar compartment in your car, then you put it in there. The console would be a similar storage area. If you dont have a lockable compartment, just keep it separate from the rifle and out of sight.
The emphasis is that it should be out of sight. (And if you put it in a locked ammo box or something like that, a thief would just steal the box.)
Just to be clear: If you put your rifle in the boot of your car, take the bolt out, and put the bolt and the ammo in the glove box of your car, (lockable or not) then you are following the rules perfectly.
The new regs do cover provisions for leaving your vehicle with firearms in it, this was never permitted in the past. It is at the point of leaving the vehicle that we need to use some common sense - that being ' if the firearms and ammo have to be stored in a safe or on a locked frame at home then a similar form of security needs to be employed when leaving firearms in an unattended vehicle'.
As said further up, this only applies if you leave the vehicle unattended. As long as you are in the vehicle and driving ,none of the above apply.
( paragraph 2b from memory).
Things have certainly changed from the days when I left the under-over on top of the seat back of the old pickup outside the pub!!
You can lock a standard metal ammo box with a long shank padlock like this.
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That's incorrect. The exception is if you are on a farm etc actively hunting, AND are with the vehicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
The regulations say:
(2) Subclause (1) does not apply to a firearms licence holder if—
(a)
the holder is using a vehicle on a farm and undertaking farm-related activities, or is actively engaged in legally authorised hunting or wild animal pest control on farmland, public land, or land used for an agricultural, a horticultural, or a silviculture business on which they are permitted to use firearms; and
(b)
the licence holder is in the vehicle with the firearms or in the immediate vicinity of the vehicle in which the firearms are located.
Tha "and " at the end of 2(a) is the important bit, that means the conditions of both (a) and (b) must be met for the exception to apply. So if you are on a public road etc the requirements do apply, even if you are with the vehicle at all times.
Ok, I stand corrected.
Standard ammo box, with a padlock glued and set up so it’s easy to lock and unlock. I used gorilla glue, but no more nails whatever would do, as long as it sets hard and can hold the padlock in place.
Pictures to come.
I use a petty cash box, from Mitre 10 that is lockable.
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Originally Posted by flock
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So guessing that you have a steel pin glued inside the box going through the Hasp ?. We just drilled a hole in the box and welded a pin on with a hole in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by flock
Tried a keyed lock but now use a combo
Yep cut 4 mm plate steel used as a pin then heaps of glue.
I like this type. https://www.amazon.com/Ammo-Hardware.../dp/B08XZ2B9FP
There are lots of sources other than amazon - this link is just to show the arrangement.
Secured to the seat frame with a cable, using the same lock as locks the box shut - get a combination lock and you cant forget the keyQuote:
Originally Posted by small_caliber
high tensile steel cablew looparound rear seat fittings bolted to wagon floor .padlocked length of steel chain goes onto my ammo box when placed in truck .when home ammo box removed padlocked to hi tensile piece of chain by safe for security.also means Idont shag round when off after ducks /geese as I know exactly whats in the box .other boxes are same. In terms of being pulled over by boys in blue Imnot that fazed .just concerns me some seemingly have a tinge of attitude problem and Idont want to give anything to fuel thaTammo transport ...security ..hmmm let me think..........
I'm thinking something smaller like this could work, could be secured with some initiative. An improving book. https://www.supercheapauto.co.nz/p/s...131206#start=2
Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.
Where does it stop, if the crud thinks there are firearms in a vehicle, they will take the whole vehicle. Laws imposed only stop an opportunist from going crazy on the spot.
Like, doors and windows only keep honest people out.
Talking to an ex Cop about all this recently. Mentioned do you keep your bolt locked in the ammo box as well, good point, so now I keep the bolt on my person, also in the habit of decocking the bolt as well. Over board I know, but don't want to some officious bugger having a bad day, think I'm not taking taking Gun safety/security seriously.
