Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Wow, I just got a personalised letter (as I am sure others will as well) from TradeMe. Usually I like getting letters.....

Hi,

We're getting in touch with members who have been active in a firearms category on Trade Me in the past few months. The online sale of firearms has become a hot topic this week, so we thought it would be helpful to send through a reminder about the ins and outs of how guns are bought and sold onsite.

We've put together a blog post which sets out the rules in detail and we also have some information on our banned and restricted list too.

We understand NZ Police are reviewing the law and guidelines around the sale of firearms online. This means the process for buying and selling selected firearms on Trade Me may change in the future. We will keep you updated with the implications of any changes for members.

If you have any questions, please feel free to get in touch with us.

Regards,

The Trust & Safety team
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Originally Posted by bully

What about doing what the u.s does if there has to be change.... Don't they basicly just send things to the arms officer closest to you then you go in show them who you are, pick up your stuff and leave.
Wouldn't have to worry about firearm related stuff being dropped at your door when not home, and you have to go in to get your form signed anyway.

Not everyone works near a police station, nor at hours that are convenient to just pop in and out at will. I think we should concentrate on enforcing the laws that we already have (which seem to working more or less), rather than making more laws and hoops to jump through for people who already obey the law

Originally Posted by Tommy

Not everyone works near a police station, nor at hours that are convenient to just pop in and out at will. I think we should concentrate on enforcing the laws that we already have (which seem to working more or less), rather than making more laws and hoops to jump through for people who already obey the law

I'm not for change either. Just if we had to. And yes it might be a chore to drive in there during business hours. But you have to anyway to get your form signed.
I was just throwing it out there.

Originally Posted by bully

I'm not for change either. Just if we had to. And yes it might be a chore to drive in there during business hours. But you have to anyway to get your form signed.
I was just throwing it out there.

And then you get the stations where the AO has decided nobody but him can sign the form, because he likes it that way, so you can only go get it signed when he's working. That means one month of the yr plus sick days he will be missing?

Originally Posted by Maca49

And then you get the stations where the AO has decided nobody but him can sign the form, because he likes it that way, so you can only go get it signed when he's working. That means one month of the yr plus sick days he will be missing?

More than that! our arms officer covers the whole top half of the south island so bloody good luck meeting him to get anything signed!

In the U.S. they send to an FFL which is basically a gunshop, so no different from buying from Guncity or H&F.

gents, pls untwist your panties

there is a rather large difference between a central firearm register (ala Canada) and a simple process to validate licence holders for online purchases (a small % of all firearm sales in NZ)

pls gawd, don't develop an IT system, the consultants alone would charge millions. should be possible to get this done with a simple email to the local AO. and if you have the desire, you can then print it out and file it away...

when I've sold firearms and had to post them, I've always gone to see the local AO to confirm that the details provided by the other party is legit. it is not rocket science...

Honestly I don't think anything will happen to her, the same thing happened in 2008 (I will try and find the link).
If someone wants to acquire a gun illegally it's not that hard.
Impersonating a police officer, well that's a different story! but in todays age Impersonating anything isn't that hard with the tech we have, but still fraud! I think we are just unlucky that firearms are the topic this week. Next week it will be underage drinking / buying smokes where they use the oldest looking underage person they can find to commit a crime.

Make it a carbon copy form. Fill it out at the cop shop as you're meant to now. Cops keep one half on file. Dealer calls front desk at same cop shop to confirm details are correct.

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Do they still make carbon paper! You must be as old as me

Originally Posted by Maca49

Do they still make carbon paper! You must be as old as me

I'm about half your age! For the modern high-tech crowd, you could use a tear-along-the-dotted-line page. You take the bit with both signatures, cops keep the rest for when the dealer calls to confirm.

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The only issue with the old system was the seller verifying that it was an actual Police officer that signed the form. The new rules haven't changed anything apart from it is now the Police that will send the form to the seller.
Seems interesting though that the Police can make up anew rule when nothing in the arms act has changed.

I like the idea of the Police sending it too the seller.
Seems to be a simple solution to the problem, which should work and not cause a huge influx of extra work to the Police (shouldn't need to charge us for it).

I recently bought a rifle and had it sent to me, I'd filled out a paper form and when I handed it over to the Firearms person they typed it out into some fandagled format I had not seen before. If that was then emailed/faxed by the cops not me, then that saves me time having to try scan it.

I still hope HDPE gets in trouble, $15,000 of fines should do that trick. Knock them of their perches a bit.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I still hope HDPE gets in trouble

She sure is slippery, that HDPE...

Ironically, she should be advocating that she gets the harshest punishment available as her whole point is that our firearm laws and consequences are too mild! Therefore she is being a hypocrite if she asks for leniency!