Thread: TV3 & Guncity mistake

Zim,
I'm personally hoping that the cops fudge prosecuting them for whatever reasons ( political interference like the Urewera terrorist training camps) or whatever.
If GC take a private prosecution then you can be sure that their "payback" will result in the whole slimy team of them, from O'Connor to the TV3 bosses, will be named & shamed & either booked into Mt.Eden or fined many zillions of $'s along with huge "costs awarded"!!!!!!

That's what I've been kneeling beside my bed & praying for each night!!!! Hopefully everyone of you law abiding chaps & chapesses are doing the same.

The power of group positive thought works, believe me. I've helped a couple of negative karma cases here in Rottenrua lately, VERY satisfying to see arseholes finally get their beans. & I'm not really a vindictive person!!!!

I have sold two guns by mail order in the last week and neither form had a Police station stamp on it, and as Koshogi rightly pointed out, there is no requirement for one. In both instances they were also sent by the purchaser rather than directly from the Police. Everything is back to normal it would appear.

Originally Posted by gundoc

I have sold two guns by mail order in the last week and neither form had a Police station stamp on it, and as Koshogi rightly pointed out, there is no requirement for one. In both instances they were also sent by the purchaser rather than directly from the Police. Everything is back to normal it would appear.

Are you serious!?!

Edit: I seriously suggest you call your local cop shop or go see them and check those forms are legit. There's no way a cop would sign the form and let it go out those doors now...

Originally Posted by gundoc

I have sold two guns by mail order in the last week and neither form had a Police station stamp on it, and as Koshogi rightly pointed out, there is no requirement for one. In both instances they were also sent by the purchaser rather than directly from the Police. Everything is back to normal it would appear.

I did one on Saturday at Akl Central, and it was the new one. Police must be doing it differently from place to place (imagine my surprise)

Ok now just been to the Mount Maunganui police station to get the form filled out to purchase Dreamers rifle, Oh no not allowed to obtain from there??? The AO based in the Tauranga Police Station is the ONLY ONE that can now sign these forms locally?? REALLY! Did they change the law from a Sworn Officer or Heather (pending prosecution), did I miss something? or is the AO making his own law? Me thinks a phone call to Wellington is coming up!!
This is a real piss off.

Originally Posted by Maca49

Ok now just been to the Mount Maunganui police station to get the form filled out to purchase Dreamers rifle, Oh no not allowed to obtain from there??? The AO based in the Tauranga Police Station is the ONLY ONE that can now sign these forms locally?? REALLY! Did they change the law from a Sworn Officer or Heather (pending prosecution), did I miss something? or is the AO making his own law? Me thinks a phone call to Wellington is coming up!!
This is a real piss off.

Im pretty sure its any sworn cop can sign the form. The arms officer hasn't signed any of my forms.

Thats what I thought Jim but up here the AO has his own set of rules, thats a problem with the system, too many hymn sheets

Originally Posted by jim160

Im pretty sure its any sworn cop can sign the form. The arms officer hasn't signed any of my forms.

It's any Police Employee.

Any member of the Police failing or refusing to perform their lawful duties should be referred IPCA for nonfeasance.

No its not! Not in the BOP, Yep I think I will have to complain!! and my nice nature makes it hard for me to do!! Arseholes

Originally Posted by Maca49

No its not! Not in the BOP, Yep I think I will have to complain!! and my nice nature makes it hard for me to do!! Arseholes

Maca,

Yes the AO's in this region ( Hamilton,Tauranga,Taupo,Rotorua etc have been making their own rules. I heard of a situation recently where gun cabinets (A cat) from a specific supplier were being rejected because this particular region had decided they weren't compliant. What these turkeys didn't know was that the cabinets had already been to police Nat HQ & inspected by a team of 4 officers and WERE approved. A complaint to the ISPCA soon sorted that problem out and I suspect that the same procedure will solve your problem????

You might like to mention that the lack of uniformity in the use of the ARMS OFFICE stamp on mail order forms would have solved the TV3 fraud situation. GC ( & most dealers ) would have smelt a rat as soon as no stamp was seen on the bottom of the form. But as you have seen from posts here every bloody police region/district seems to have its own set of rules???? So much for being a national uniform service!!!!!

If you're ever in Rottenrua send me a personal post & we could have an interesting chat.

Beers.

I just find it frustrating, like when are the traffic police going to start making their own rules?? Nothing like a little power to enlarge ones head.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Are you serious!?!

Edit: I seriously suggest you call your local cop shop or go see them and check those forms are legit. There's no way a cop would sign the form and let it go out those doors now...

Yes, I checked and they were kosher. One came with a police business card and I rang the station then his cell phone to check, the other was confirmed by the station. One was Wellington, the other a small station.

It is important to note that although the Police 'policy' may have changed, the law has not. Consequently any Police officer may check the applicants licence and sign the form.

Originally Posted by gundoc

Yes, I checked and they were kosher. One came with a police business card and I rang the station then his cell phone to check, the other was confirmed by the station. One was Wellington, the other a small station.

It is important to note that although the Police 'policy' may have changed, the law has not. Consequently any Police officer may check the applicants licence and sign the form.

I'm WELL aware, but when I done my form they took it and signed it and kept it (not much I could do about that) and then it went to my AO who then forwarded it to the seller after the AO done their whatever.
I expected this to be the same all over the country after what has happened and am very surprised to see it is not.
Also aware of others who have had the same, so thought it was very out of character for your buyers Police stations to not do the same, which would naturally ring alarm bells.


Maca:
Our AO's used to try the same thing before this even happened, you need to talk to them and explain to them that they need to inform the people who are on duty at the watch house need to know that they are required to fill these forms out and cannot say that only the AO will.
We no longer have this issue.

Ask "are you a sworn officer?" yes "you are legally required to sign this form then " good idea or not?