Well, hopefully she will have a fair trial, and if she is not doing just home detention and community service, she will be able to write about the life conditions in mt Eden prison.
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Well, hopefully she will have a fair trial, and if she is not doing just home detention and community service, she will be able to write about the life conditions in mt Eden prison.
Thats fine, but don't cry foul when the police then exercise a search warrant to ensure they have the necessary evidence to back up a potential prosecution.Quote:
Just to put some perspective on this. You have the right, in New Zealand, to say "I am maintaining my right to silence" when question by the Police. This applies to you, me, your mate, your mother and everyone. This is the reason we have appropriate judicial law in NZ, rather than the ad-loc random legal process in Russia, Malaysia, Thailand, USA and many other countries. Want to live in a country where the answer to a Police question comes from the end of a baton ?
Just because you may disagree with the particular circumstances doesn't dilute the process you have the option to exercise.
The posts for death, evisceration, and avoidance of a legal process we all all entitled to, is today in NZ, somewhat sickening. Simply because of an opinion people have, publicly.
Discussion is one thing, rampant mob behaviour because of the belief and obsession one is right, is quite sad.
The whinging from HDPA and Soper is not justified if they refused to speak to the police, the police are entitled to search under warrant on the basis of reasonable grounds for specified items, if a crime has been committed. Its pretty clear that that is the case.
Whether the police choose to prosecute or not is a matter of discretion on their part, but they always do that with the consideration of the strength of their case in the first instance and then other considerations. It is quite pathetic to refuse to speak to the police and then claim that a search shouldn't have occurred as they would have provided the information required.... they had already refused...!!
The fact is, in spite of the media dribble about this - there was no loophole, and there was no actual problem. Despite that this circus broke the law, and as Aunty Ursula points out, there is no defence of public interest for criminal activity.
I imagine there were approx zero cases ever of fraudulent mail order forms before this
TV3's gun purchase story may have created a problem not fixed one, says barristerQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Nicholas Taylor said he has 18 years experience in firearms cases and reviewed almost 10,000 of those cases to find not a single one involved the mail order exploit currently the focus of the police investigation.
"What I discovered is I haven't had a single case in 18 years of being a barrister specialising in firearms law in which a firearm has been found by police or in someone's unlawful possession that has been obtained this way. There isn't a case I can name or have come across."
NThe comments made around hanging, drawing and quartering (and public flogging in another thread) were mine and no one else's so no rampant mob behaviour at all, just a single individual whose view on such things sits somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan. I am entitled to my view and absolutely defend your right to the view you have that supports a more refined, cultured politically corrected and somewhat less barbaric New Zealand society than I would have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
If they were 'exposing a loophole' as they claim to be, you'd think they'd be upfront with what they did and how they went about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
Oh I absolutely agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidney
I was merely pointing out the right to silence that everyone enjoys in NZ, and exercising that right appeared to be frowned upon.
I should've explained, the rampant mob behaviour that has been displayed online in multiple forums, as well as FB and blogs. Yours isn't the only one Rushy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
It is not just the silly bag at TV3 who is in deep doggy poo, it is her partner in crime Garner, the TV3 exec who authorised the scam to proceed AND a certain Police Assn president who had only a week or so previously been bleating about " not knowing how crims got illegal guns"????? And, then this schemozzle occurred. I don't believe in coincidences!!! I firmly believe that this whole thing was dreamed up to try to expose a NON-EXISTENT loophole in the mail order procedure for us law abiding persons to legally obtain firearms by remote control.
As others have stated " THERE WAS NO LOOPHOLE".
MESSRS "SILLY BAG",GARNER ETC ETC ARE ALL GUILTY OF SEVERAL SERIOUS CRIMES & IF THE COPS DON'T PROSECUTE ALL OF THEM??? THEN I AM QUITE CONFIDENT THAT SOMEONE IN THE VICINITY OF CHRISTCHURCH WILL!!!!!
EVERYONE: WATCH THIS SPACE. JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED EVENTUALLY.
Beers to all law abiding firearm owners.
For your first posting mate you picked a doozie thread. You are not trying to draw us out are u?
The end of a baton sounds good to me in certain circumstances:ORLY:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
We don't need to know about your bedroom antics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
MESSRS "SILLY BAG",GARNER ETC ETC ARE ALL GUILTY OF SEVERAL SERIOUS CRIMES & IF THE COPS DON'T PROSECUTE ALL OF THEM??? THEN I AM QUITE CONFIDENT THAT SOMEONE IN THE VICINITY OF CHRISTCHURCH WILL!!!!!
EVERYONE: WATCH THIS SPACE. JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED EVENTUALLY
prety arrogant of garner to flout the laws by going with lusk a week or two afterwould and thumbing his/thier noses at the one gun rule for non licence holders hunting with a licenced owner.
I was taught by a local cop, his trunnions always smelt funny:wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barefoot
Truncheon my son
Dongey nockers; cosh's; f-kin CLUBS.
I knew one cop many years back who carried one in his hip pocket, only 8 inches long, but with a lead core. Shit it was good fun watching him clean out the pub at ten past 6 O'clock. It worked good on knees and not too many of the hard bastards in that wild town came back for a second dose.
Who gives a fuck, my computer tells me!
No not at all. But to complain publicly (as a Journalist) when the Police exercise their duty and then undertake a legal search? Priceless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
Mob Justice??? Maybe but legit firearms owners are becoming pretty sick an tired of being demonized by the Media. Mob Frustration at injustice is more like it.
Welcome Top Gun. I'll have a Waikato please.Quote:
Originally Posted by top gun
Now I know what all the noise through the wall at his Bach is about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barefoot
Ahhh the good old days when police dispensed liberal doses of street justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
Nope definitely not. Wouldn't dream of provoking anyone (except people who try to denigrate us law abiding firearm owners)
I have been watching this subject since day one & have been in communication with some of the people involved and I know that one + one = two which makes them all guilty of fraudulently forging a police officer's name etc & the illegal use of the Arms Office stamp.
I'm in the trade ( 20 years ) & I know that there were/are NO loopholes in the mail order system to close.!!
I think everyone on this forum wants to see the perpetrators get their collective beans!!! If the police don't do their legal duty then the Tipple lawyer probably will ( I hope??) & from past incidents that is the most likely scenario.
Keep watching this space!!!!
Note: yesterdays NZ Herald had a pretty fair write up of the current state of affairs on this subject.( 3rd Dec page A15 )
Did the fraudulent document have the Arms Office stamp on it?
Shit oh dear Rushy!!!! I've only been here 5 minutes. I hope I never offend you ????Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Hopefully you'll give me a wee warning before the knife gets sharpened???? Eh???
@top gun Rushy doesn't 'do' knives....uses an axe......:ORLY:Quote:
Originally Posted by top gun
What sized jar Rushy?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
A VERY blunt one naturally!!!, eh???Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouser
And the media world are acting as a mob as well trying to dispense their own 'bush justice' trial by media of anyone else they have a gripe against. As has been pointed out that there are cars that can go faster than our open road speed limit, drugs can be sent via the mail system, you can rob a dairy with a knife, obtain and possess a firearm illegally, drive with no WOF/Rego, .... These are not loopholes they are criminal acts and if you get caught doing any of them you should not complain. Oh the hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
No it didn't, but this was never a legal requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10-Ring
Also, went and got a mail order form signed today for some ammo, the form has now changed, I won't go over all the changes but the most odd part about it is they ask you what type of firearm you will be using the ammo in.... What the fuck....
Haven't seen anyone talk about this here yet, might have missed it, but now the police officer before they sign your form look your name up in their system to assure you're still fit to hold a FAL.
As if I had somehow not had my licence taken off me after being convicted of a crime where I should have lost it, I'd go and try get a mail order form? That'll catch lots of people out, not.
Then after this cops check the officer told me he now sends it to the firearms head office for more checks.
They really went a mile with this without any legislation change didn't they?
well said gadget -youve smacked the bloody nail right on the swede!my only other comment is the learned judges so called letter to the police commissioner ,in my reading contained some subtle but definite hints of consequences if the matter was not seen in a more favourable light for our little stars. why allude to events that occurred 20yrs ago ,events it appeaers that consisted of police carrying out their duties and encountering a cocksure lawyer who due to an apparent shortcoming was able to prevent a search etc etc.
i dont know how much regulation applies to these blokes once retired But if i was cheif justice Id be ringing and asking him to refrain from this type of tactic whilst an active police investigation is in progress,and as a retired judge he should stay retired and furthermore make his correspondence confidential!
the right to hold an opinion is not denied -the modus operandi of expressing said opinion is in this case bloody debatable!
@Jexla, did you have to show them your drivers license as well as your firearms license? So much wtf
Just tell bullshit, what rifle, I fire .22 thru my 12 gaugeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
Top gun you will learn by the elapse of time that I am the forum's premier piss taker. No subject is sacred (although I steer away from techno and dog discussions) and no one is immune and for fucks sake don't believe more than half of anything I ever say. I have never been known to drink (guzzle, yes, but drink, no). Grew up sitting on a crate of Waikato quart bottles just over the hill from your town in Tokoroa. Quite partial to the odd drop still.Quote:
Originally Posted by top gun
Damn it Rushy! Now you're making the stuff sound like it has something to do with the long drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
No, I assumed that was for purchase of an air gun and proving your age. I left it blank and the cop said nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
If he asked for it I would have said I don't have one, jumped in my car and left.
Be interesting if they come back to me asking about me writing CZ75 for my 9mm ammo when I am still waiting for my B,E,C interviews.
Now that I think about it I should have tried my luck and left them blank.
jesus i lived on that stuff when duck shooting there out of cambridge with me late uncle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
got marinated so often that i even ended up playing a rugby game for cambridge united seniors .
never while in charge of a gun or car tho but any other time was open slather.
found waikato for morning tea about as hard to digest as old style tui tho..
found the close your eyes open the throat and tommorrow be damned method most helpful
So you liked the King of beers then. Good on ya mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by gsp follower
You'll also come to realise @topgun there are a few guys on here with very bad taste:thumbsup:
''how very dare you sir'':DQuote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
waikato and tui are nz,s guinness:O_O:
Now I know why the stunted growth mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by gsp follower