Nothing. But there's a saying:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
No man is above the law and no man is below it.
The law should be applied equally and fairly. Prosecute the journalist or it sets a bad precedence.
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Nothing. But there's a saying:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
No man is above the law and no man is below it.
The law should be applied equally and fairly. Prosecute the journalist or it sets a bad precedence.
Pasted from another site: (which I won't name due to the NO POLITICS rule that some seem to miss)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hayden C
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How many times do we see the Police proceed with prosecutions with the public statement that they must let the Courts decide and pass judgement as it is not their place to do so? The Police are normally very unwilling to make a judgment like this from what I have seen and experienced. It makes my especially grumpy as a Firearms License holder knowing what the responsibilities and rules are regarding ownership, storage and handling. The Police have made a mistake on this one.
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so if i have this correct, the police have discretion over wether to prosecute. this stunt by HDPA was done for ratings, not the noble sentiment such as "civic duty to expose a loophole" despite what media works say, and she gets a pass. greg carvelle, the auckland gunshop owner who made the headlines years ago when he defended himself and others in his gun shop against a machete wielding intruder, was prosecuted though. someone wake me up, puuuuulease. i feel sorry for the frontline police who go into every situation unarmed, not knowing if someone in the situation is armed, but they do themselves no favours with a decision like this.
Whoa that shit is way to civilised and well thought out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Well I believe there is a loophole and you want to fire your auto, become a dealer as you have to know it is in good working order to sell it and therefore you must know it works, consumer guarantees act, you don't want no comebacks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Tommy. What you posted from that other site.
I was about to say the same..thanks you saved me having to type that out.
Really though so now the NZ Police are Judgers as well:wtfsmilie::yuush:
Who's keen to donate tipple some money to get this cleaned up I'd consider it
the bizzare bloody thing is when Richard Grant took them on over the mssa freestanding pistolgrip issue in the palmy north court ,( i believe gundoc was the expert witness/)Hon Justice Jillian Mallons judgement specifically ripped the police(akacrown)a new arsehole over acting as judge jury and executioner. she spoke at length and very specifically lays out the roles of govt ,judges,and police.for the bloody life of me i simply cannot see why a certain element of Police HQ staff seemingly ignore such things.
Shit mate sometimes you make startling amounts of sense. One day we're going to have to have a beer and not try to punch each other :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
Just because you are being paranoid, does not make you wrong......Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
You could sell ticket to that fight Tommy
Unfortunately no surprises here....Soper went crying into his handkerchief to Key, Mediaworks TV 3 also pleading they won't give the Nats too much shit in the next election if let Heather off their silly escapade. Police instructed to lay off.
Along with TV 1 being state owned should be nice smooth election media wise for govt
Welcome to democracy in action
Richard Lincoln, not Grant. Yes, I appeared at that case and threw in my two cents worth, but Richard deserves all the credit for a superbly prepared and presented case. Even the Crown Solicitor came and congratulated him for it after the hearing finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
Did anyone also notice that there is to be no prosecution of one of their own shooting dead an unarmed man last year? A bit like the fiasco that left an innocent van driver dead in Auckland. I have no problem with armed idiots being tipped over when they present a clear and present danger, but at least see something that looks like a weapon before firing!
thank you gundoc .For some peculiar reason I always get his(RL) name wrong. ive actually got a paper copy of her judgement in my files at home.A very bloody interesting read .
You forgot to mention the rest of the story regarding the unarmed man, such as what he said to the officers and what his physical actions were. Pretty easy way to influence people with your possibly bias opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundoc
As for the rest of it, Im very disappointed and know a lot of others that feel the same. Police have always got, and have always had, discretion over charging someone or not, which is a good thing.
OK, just another tough from me.
Questions:
1- Are we law abiding citizens really united?
2- Are the majority of us law abiding citizens against these people lobbing against lawful firearms possession?
3- Are we keen to make a difference and put ourselves together against this discrimination regards "people above the law"
I acknowledge the cost of a "civil" action agains the "machine" but would we be interested in a "fair" and a possible final decision in who is who to make rules and decisions about what is right or wrong? I am in this forum for just a little while and i meet and dealt with few great people in here and i meet and know a lot of great passionate people who own and love firearms and are very responsible for it. So i think why we don't ask the "above the law" people to go and take the "dodgy" guns from the hands of those who don't possess a F.A.L. or a "registered" legally purchased F.A.?
I am sorry if i am been a little bit over the top but where i came from is very difficult to prove you are responsible for a firearm and or process one, however own an illegal F.A. is easily achieved, but where i came from sometimes the police may shoot the person with a firearm first and them ask what is happening.
Cheers.
Mac
That sort of discretion cost Greg Carvell around a million bucks I heard. I wonder where the public good was there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
We know it's bullshit castle doing it, not you guys. It's very unfortunate, I feel for you guys, the shit you have to deal with because of decisions made by the brass (that they know will happen, know that you and not them will have to deal with it, but do it anyway)Quote:
As for the rest of it, Im very disappointed and know a lot of others that feel the same.
The problem with all the examples given is that they are simple examples believed to be black and white.
Whereas in reality, cases are complex with various circumstances, some mitigating. Unfortunately that doesn't suit people's pre-concieved ideas.
That's life.
OK Team,
Here's the guts hot off the press.
I have been talking to the people at the receiving end of all the TV3 shit and have it on good authority that a Private Prosecution of HER (at least) IS on the way courtesy of the lawyer chap in Auckland (Nic ?? ). I have tried to persuade the owners of GC to add at least another 5 names to the list who were involved either directly ( like Mark Weldon ex-CEO of Mediaworks,who gave the go ahead) and a few others as well who aided & abetted.
Will the guy who supplied his licence details keep his licence????? Watch out for some curly "questions in parliament" from Richard Prosser & co too.
I would like to see the firearms licence owners who were clearly involved in this stunt exposed whether actually goes anywhere legally or not to their peers in this process. If they had not of helped out giving correct details to subvent system this would not have passed 1st base.
Guarantee they will be following this post 100% if not popping the odd comment in.
We have some great laws in this country that are based on honesty. These are constantly being eroded by a few dickheads that end up with more and more red-tape and arse covering laws.
Get over yourselves people.
Police have decided not to prosecute, a civil action may or may not happen. Whoopee - NOT
The stunt exposed a weakness in the system, and I for one am pleased that the weakness has been stopped.
FWIW I have purchased since and have had to take the form to a local Firearms Officer who then contacted the seller. Not a big problem.
Get a life folks, go use your firearms for the purposes which you bought them and give your keyboards a rest.
The biggest disappointment and would have actually given merit to HDPA was if she had actually been able to demonstrate/investigate that the system was/has been abused by someone with ill intent.
She has created a solution for a problem that never existed?
That's the world we live in now? People come up solutions and then go and find/create problems to validate there efforts ...
Great post !Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan
So you don't believe people have a right to express their opinions, excepting yourself, of course?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
id suggest to you with all due respect that your opinion is in the minority and give its laced with sarcasm not overly valued cylops /
In the minority on here maybe, but what about out there where everyone else is?Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
This part in particular to this whole "inside job" this is the part that really irks me the most. Where is our true, lawful & righteous justice system gone? And why hasn't there been no revocation annouced by top official police??Quote:
Originally Posted by jackson21
I know the justice system has been wonky for awhile but this is turning in to some next level s#%t!
Corruption or?
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We have some great laws in this country that are based on honesty. These are constantly being eroded by a few dickheads that end up with more and more red-tape and arse covering laws.
Not corruption more like manipulation of the system to suit certain people.
You've just given me ideas...........Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
You need ideas? Just bang it is seclusion!:O_O:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
There's this dude Ted on youtube (kiwi guy), took his C cat Sten out on his boat into international waters for a few mag dumps and put the video on youtube. Got into major shit with his AO, had to say 53 million hail marys to keep his license and endorsements hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
Wait, advertising "loopholes" is a bad idea, right?
That is a fucking amazing story hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Not his only faux pas. Also videod himself humping around in the bush with a pistol stuffed inside his waistband.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Missed that one. He did some really dumb shit. Not short of coin though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Also advertised where he lived, and that he had a ute load or two of pistols, all sorts of select fire longs, the lot.
He has a rather nice collection, but publicising some of his actions is hardly smart even though I very much doubt he is any sort of risk
Is that because the actions are illegal? I've attended a few good shoots in my younger days! That's when the police and army use to turn up armed but in support! Oh it's a change world, but nobody got harmed back then :cool:
Yup. That thread got quite contentious :D Plus he got v shitty with CSI when he wanted to shoot zombie targets on the range.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
https://www.youtube.com/user/kiwitedferny/videos
Agree. What most in here I think fail to appreciate is many people are afraid of guns and they vote. So this is turning/turned into a PR disaster for us gun owners which could have been avoided and indeed used positively for us. Really simple, "oops, a hole was found we have fixed this really quickly sorry about that. In fact we'll review the system to make sure there are no others similar holes" the voting public would have been left with the impression that gun owners and shops take safety and security seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
Instead Guncity might prosecute, I dont think they will, if they do they'll get their ass handed to them in a court by a Jury and make gun owners look worse in the eyes of the clueless voter.
He's giving his opinion here is my one, gun ownership is a minority. So whatever your opinion is just consider the 90%? of voters in our democracy's opinion who dont own a gun and of them probably a significant % who dont want you to own a gun may think come election time. Appearing to be a bunch of uncontrollable nut jobs is one sure way to see us get draconian gun laws like OZ IMHO how ever unfair that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10-Ring
Wait.. What.. I don't mean to hijack the thread and forgive me for my lack of naivety and at the risk of asking dumb assed questions. Are you saying that you cannot fire your legally owned (C endorsment?) full-auto firearms, even on a range? ever ever? Also; can you not use your legally owned pistol to hunt in NZ?
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Originally Posted by Roddy