Not ever or even longer !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
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Not ever or even longer !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
Are the police carbines capable of full auto?Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
No, Police Bushmasters are semi auto only. Only NZA has full auto.
You can't shoot it with live ammunition, but can shoot with blanks if demonstrating it to someone to sell to prove it works, and no, you cannot shoot your pistol outside an approved range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roddy
It's all here.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p.../DLM72622.html
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Originally Posted by Cyclops
I have been following this whole drama from day one. No one has explained what the loophole/weakness in the previous mail order system was????
I f you know, please elucidate.:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by steven
You can rest assured that GC WILL be prosecuting( no "might" about it)HER at least. I have suggested several other names to GC. Names of people who were up to their eyeballs in this whole sordid affair. Watch for it to happen!!!!
The loop hole was that someone could use someone else's firearms licence number,and impersonate a police constable to make a fraudulent document to obtain a firearm through online/mail order sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by top gun
Meanwhile crims continue to steal or get their scumbag uncaught ( yet) mates to supply them with weapons.
Moral of the story is to get a well connected journalist/political party PR sugar daddy twice your age and break the law to self promote yourself.
Wonder if the #@%^ will show TVland how to make meth for her next story?
If your a keen bean you can build your own range at home if you have land and get it certified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
Yes, a certified / approved range. Different word, same meaning. What you can't do is whip out your pistol on farmland, tuck it into your belt and go pig hunting.
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Originally Posted by Steve123
Steve,
You're forgetting that the first thing GC in Auckland did was phone the AO & checked the cosherness of the licence holder's details. All OK. And, the police checked over 2000 previously received mail order forms & found NO evidence of forgeries or fraudulence.ALL spot on. i.e. NO loophole!!
The only hiccup that I have become aware of is the fact that not all arms offices in NZ actually authenticated the Police Officer's details on the bottom of the form with the Official " Arms Office" rubber stamp. There is NO way for any firearm dealer or firearm seller to know whether or not that info is genuine????
You'd have to be a bit bloody stupid to risk 7 years in the slammer to even think of forging the police info,eh????
Good old Heather & team had no problems tho' AND got away with it ( SO FAR!!!! )
Exactly. The only loop hole she found was fraud. Impersonating police and using someone else's licence number.Quote:
Originally Posted by top gun
No loophole just fraud.
incidentally sugar daddy is now doing PR for Dear Leader in the Herald.
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the guy who took his sten into international waters ...... would that be exporting/smuggling without a permit ?
You can just whip it out and do what you want it just wont be legal :ORLY:
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by stumpy
I just whipped it out and enjoyed the sensation of a nice long leak.ok mr lawman im sorry got caught short OK!Quote:
Originally Posted by Haggie
Not so sure about that? Exporting would be taking into another jurisdiction. Outside of our 12 mile is only our economic zone to 200nm. This is why NZ had no legal standing over the Korean officers on the JV fishing vessels working here from bumming their Indo crew and ku fuing them when they felt like it. For criminal acts they were Korean jurisdiction as Korean registered vessels.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Think he should have been Ok with the sten but recent years there have been all sorts of international laws for firearms. NZ is always first at UN with ballpoint ready to sign some shit.
My Google / YouTube search skills have departed, can someone put up a link to this sten / Ted guy?
what a fuckin surprise a slap on the arse and awy scot free
guess impersonating a police officer and falsifying details aint an offence??
unless your some poor drunk hoon who gets popped on police ten 7 or on some money spinning police trap.
give me strength the cops wonder why they dont have the respect they used to :wtfsmilie:
Link published further back in thread to this guy's Tube channelQuote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
We don't know what percentage of the population don't want us to own a gun and to guess or suppose is pure speculation. Certainly, in the rural sector, it's been my experience that most folk are not anti gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
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Originally Posted by 308
Missed that... Cheers :)
Couldn't find the sten gun video? Maybe he's taken it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
Interesting other videos and interesting knowledgeable guy though. Would make a good spokesman for our cause.
Must be hard having all those WW 2 goodies and not allowed to have a wee play...��
Don't worry, almost everything in this thread is pure speculation :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 10-Ring
the strangest thing is if a drunk driver has an accident or any driver deliberatly kills someone .
presumembly cos people understand through familarity that the vehicle of the death is not to blame.
its not the car thats demonised its the persons and i know yes they were designed to kill but if maybe more people were at least familiar with the uses and good side of gunownership then even that might change.
so take every opportunity to enlighten show but not brow beat into people what fun and safe enjoyment can be had.
the funniest part of the whole weeks news was that they,re putting guns into the hands of cops who have less trigger time than the sons or daughters of your average hunter.
aint we been saying that for years duh and these are the very people trying to lay down and enforce the gunlaws to us ????.
the worst part of that is they,re armed with the very weapons we are considered, without jumping thru umpteen hoops, incompetent and unsafe to have.
talk about the hieght of hypocrisy and stupidity.
i cant make up my mind whether its sad tragic or criminal that ive put more rounds thru my bolt action 22 in the last 2 weeks than the average cops with thier glocks and ar15 varients will use in a year.If i addded in the shotgun i could probably be hired as a instructor hope they supply armoured footware.
Absolutely correct. The border for import or export is the shoreline of NZ. The harbours and territorial waters of NZ are outside the parameters of the act, therefore export and import only occur when the item crosses the land boundary. Taking your C category item out to sea to shoot it is not an offence, but "exporting" it (crossing the land boundary) is (Section 38 of the Arms Act). Bringing it back ashore also contravenes sections 18 and 19 of the act (Permit required for import, and Siezure of illegally imported firearms). They would be technical offences, but certainly guaranteed to have your licence revoked and the siezure of the firearms in question. PNHQ in Wellington would love the chance to nail someone doing that! There are much safer legal solutions to finding out how your expensive collector's item works!Quote:
Originally Posted by stumpy
aint this ironic the cops cant solve burglerys including the theft of 136 guns fom one collector alone and when these guns finally appear in the hands they were stolen for everybody jumps up and down and blames every gunowner?
just a tip for you crusher get your officers you were so worried about getting shot to find the guns when they,re stolen??
step 2 give them enough training so that they can handle whats expected of them firearms wise before the aos turns up or you have call the ats.
why do i have this horrible feeling that the cop with the hand shooting injuryof the four shot was self inflicted????
apart from his bullshit figures bullshit cos the cops have no idea of the numbers so how could he?Quote:
Waikato University professor Alexander Gillespie said there needs to be discussion about what firepower is lawful and where guns are sourced.
"Governments tend to wait until an atrocity occurs or a massacre and then they legislate afterwards.
"It is very rare they're pre-emptive or do something in a precautionary manner, even thought, in my opinion, that it is foreseeable that unless we get in control of this problem something bad will happen"
Gillespie said a starting point would be tracking down the 100,000 guns that aren't with their original purchaser - having been passed on to a friend or family member.
VIDEO Liaison officer praised after stand-off
He said of the one million guns in circulation in New Zealand, around 100,000 of them aren't with their licensed owner.
"You're grandather had a gun, it went to his daughter, it ended up in the cupboard in the house and so on and so forth. You need to get these firearms off the street. You need to get them out of the houses. You need to have a public by back, where a lot of these old guns can be brought in, no questions asked".
Gillespie said around 25,000 of the "missing " guns end up with criminals.
theres some sence in his arguement:D
What this person fails to realise is that there is an amnesty 24/7 for firearms in this country. They can be handed to Police or a licensed dealer at any time with no questions asked. And this is someone called a professor? Seems his research skills leave a bit to be desired.Quote:
Originally Posted by gsp follower
Well, what piss me off if that our taxes are paying those scumbags more than 100000$ a year to have their shitty ass at a uni, promote their crap around and write that type of bullshit.
I actually had an email conversation with this fella today if anyone is interested in seeing it, I think I may have swayed his opinion a bit.
Let me know your email and I can fwd it to you if you're interested.
Guys I seriously suggest instead of getting mad at these people, CONTACT them and explain to them why they're wrong, they generally (surprisingly) listen.
I reckon the D's involved would love to have wiped the smile off her face. Would have been a bitter pill to be ordered to drop this. She came close though, the public interest was leaning more towards seeing her get her arse booted for breaking the law. Now there's a precedent for other criminals who wish to get away with this.
Or contact the people they work for and ask why these people are allowed to go on television and radio, leave out a lot of relevant facts to support their anti firearm drivel and embarrass the institution they work for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
Apparently its not just TV3 journo's that get "special" treatment, I can only but imagine how specially one of us might be treated in the same circumstance (caught illegally hunting0
Police handling of hunting case slated | Otago Daily Times Online News : Otago, South Island, New Zealand & International News
I think you will find that will do no good whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krameranzac
Can it hurt however? No boss likes to hear one of their staff is making their organisation look stupid. Just as every reporter who spouts inaccuracies should be contacted and their faults pointed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
Well its no suprise unfortunately, it happens around here to!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
But this coment doesn't work well for me, this is every body walking into the bush at night or early morning
‘‘If someone is found in an area where wild animals are present, and the person has something they could hunt with, they are presumed to be hunting unless the opposite can be proved.''
I done that yesterday, he never emailed back. I told him if I was as bad at my job as he is his, I'd be fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krameranzac
Who did you e-mail Jexla?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
just remember the public good excuse the next time your impersonating a cop or falsifying a document:D
cant help with having a tame cop union president on hand tho.
greggy boy was up to his atse cheeks in this story.
Nicholas Jones, a journalist.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10-Ring
You think the Police, after investigating and seeking separate legal opinion, decided to not press charges because Greg O'Conner said so ??? :wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by gsp follower
no but i bet the because of the look to the rest of the cops of thier union prezy bieng a nob.[ie saving face] plus if it did go further we,d have to know how it came about that he knew so much and whose cop number and or licence number was used??Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
why were those numbers so realistic because they had a knowledgable source ????
theres no doubt they coluded on this story
why was a seperate legal opinion needed??Quote:
You think the Police, after investigating and seeking separate legal opinion,
did someone impersonate a cop YEPdid someone falsify a legal document to procur a gun YEP
if it was you or i would they have waited till the dust settled and let us slide NOPE
CAN ANYONE TELL ME IS DUNCAN GARNER A LICENCED FIREAM OWNER /USER