AFAIK, they do not have access to a database to check against, nor do they, or anyone else have to check.
After hearing the report on TV, Gun City, and everyone else that has ever used a Firearms Mail order form is in the clear and innocent.
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AFAIK, they do not have access to a database to check against, nor do they, or anyone else have to check.
After hearing the report on TV, Gun City, and everyone else that has ever used a Firearms Mail order form is in the clear and innocent.
the idea is great dirty, your interpretation of it is shit. Thanks for the comment,Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtyhabit
The police rego check in their website gives absolutely no information of the address or phone numbers or etc, it either tells you that rego is either stolen or not, an adaptation of this with the FLIC number could potentially tell you VAILD or INVAILD, in essence it can also be run by the police porting the information of the licence status the same way they do regos.
Why'd they not check the FAL number? Because they can't.
The form should have been stamped? Nope, out of all the ones I have gotten, my AO nor any police officer has stamped the form.
Stamping is NOT required.
Stop pulling shit out from no where guys, just as bad as the MSM you complain about.
Normally gets a stamp from my local too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
I agree that its all a little to easy, but the alternative is what most of the old hands are very much against - firearms registration (here comes the real shit fight)
"Normally" does not = legal requirement. Gun City were not wrong to not question the stamp being there.
Whether your AO or police officer stamps your form or not doesn't matter, Gun City is not required to ensure it is there.
Lets hope that all that happens is that the Police now send it/ a scanned copy to the seller.
Oh and TV3 gets their arse holes majorly reamed!
All those things mentioned will need a change in the arms act, that isn't goin to happen overnight. The only thing that needs to change is how the seller can ensure that it was an actual police officer that signed the form.
With all the reporting about crims having easy access to fire-arms and the current crop of fucktards not identifying their targets I'm detecting a fair amount of anti-gun hysteria getting worked up by the media. Simple fact is some dirt bag forged/impersonated an arms officer. and should be prosecuted.
I buy firearms in person mainly because I don't trust courier drivers not to screw things up but also because its way less hassle than getting the form signed etc. You can also see the sellers not dodgy as well.
If that happens you can expect it to take 2/3 months :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
And wouldn't the retail outlets love it if you couldn't sell on Tard Me or on line like here.
isnt it far worse for someone to knowingly commit an offence,reporters/ratings or not, rather than a "possible" mistake on the shops part.....
So is the form not legit if it doesn't have a police stamp? How easy would it be for a dedicated individual to forge a stamp or at least smudge something to resemble a police stamp? It appears to me that they have impersonated a police officer to fill the form in. Is this not a serious crime in itself? The police need to throw the book at these morons. Their careers need to be over. Police need to show the country that they don't stand for this kind of fuckery.
The police release said possessing a firearm without a legal licence was a criminal offence and if successfully prosecuted could lead to three months in prison or a $1000 fine. The charge for "obtaining by deception" carried penalties up to seven years in prison, the police statement said.Quote:
Originally Posted by ANTSMAN
yeh it isnt the process itself thats at fault(other than the retarted ratings seeking reporters), what is at fault is someones inadherance to process. if they charge the gunshop, the other end should be similarly charged .
Like I said, the stamp in not required.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Gun City have not broken the law, they're required to have the form filled out and sent to them completed, the form was sent to them completed and nothing shines out that it could be fake. No law broken on their end.Quote:
Originally Posted by ANTSMAN
@ Stug - So if we can't rely on the fact that if it says it was signed by a police officer it was, then about half of the "legal transactions" in the country will break down - just about every system has an element of trust involved, this is no different from any other bit of paper where you have your "status" confirmed by a lawyer or JP or the like.
No real harm done at gun city's end (for once). But my statement stands - they impersonated a police officer. If I did that and got caught, I'd expect to end up in front of a judge.
unfortunately that was done by GC and by luck the number met the criteria. People could use this to find legit numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Survy
Only for Joe Blow on the street. They happily ship from dealers. I had them tell me they would no carry one while talking to them on the phone while their van driver was unloading 24 rifles for us from a wholesaler........(to a gun shop no less)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
And they deliver this to me too.... Guess what was in it.....
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...pszwmt1w5y.jpg
Well packed, what with it being wrapped in a towel and brown tape.......
Because it dose almost nothing. The biggest source of illegal firearms by far are stolen ones. To stop this you must ban the public (and police) from owning firearms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
Trade me asks for a fire arms licence number and its near on impossible to bid or even ask a question about a gun without having a valid licence number.
How do they do it but the gun shops don't or cant?
Trademe's asking of a FAL number doesn't require the number to be valid, but only to meet the formula of a FAL number.
I know, they weren't happy when I kept using made up ones because I didn't have my wallet on me to get my FAL number.
P.S this is what HDPA done with the FAL she had on the form, she didn't "borrow" anyone's FAL number, she just learnt the format of a FAL number and made one up.
E.g is T519845 a real FAL number?
Looks it, could even be, but I just made it up. So clever huh? Not.
Sounds like she was very lucky that the number she made up was an actual number. The Herald article states that Guncity checked the firearms licence number and it was real.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they used the licence number of the firearms licence holder they had on the TV program.
The courts should make an example of Heather and co, lets start seeing stories about our current firearm laws being applied.
Well if they did use his FAL number and he gave it to them them he should be considered no longer "fit and proper" expecially since FALs now seem to be revoked for driving offences etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
I'm tired of being thrown under the bus just because my hobbies are an easy target. For god sake more kids are beaten and hospitalised every week than people shot by criminals. ( yes both are bad bad things)
I haven't really kept up with this , but it seems to me the first breach of the law was falsifying the police clearance .
All other actions by other parties where thus the result of a misleading and unlawful action .
Ken
Actually nah, not quite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
I don't know how they check, but they DO check you have a legit FAL. They refused to provide me the details on how they check.
I used to enter a false number that looked right (due to sharing of information etc) and they nailed me - wouldn't let me bid/question/sell anything firearm related until I provided them with a scanned copy of my license.
I am very impressed with the police response. Heather needs a big book thrown at her.
I think that O'Conner guy was in on this from the start, clearly this all being timed for his interview with that stooge Duncan Garner so he can give his opinion on how we need more legislative restrictions on firearm ownership.
You should know by now they have a big database of everyones info on everyone in NZ (and most developed nations).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerbs
I am curious to know why Heather Du Plessiallen still has this rifle and has not had her house searched by our boys in blue yet.
I am guessing it is a formula, essentially a simple encryption. If you have enough FALs you could work it out. Credit Cards have it also but a lot more numbers. If Gun City did check it and it passed then it is either a legit number or lucky. The cipher could be as simple as for instance if your letter is "H" the first three numbers are a multiple of 8. It's possible they simply obtained a legit number from someone.
Still fraud, most smart investigators and auditors use a legal means to test a system. IE begin a transaction but don't finish it, underage alcohol and cigarette purchasers are a good example. they set up the deal but don't finish it. Out of principle you don't actually commit a crime to prove one is easy to commit. GC has also not done a good job on this but nothing like Duncan Greg and Heather.
They filmed them handing it over to the local police firearms guy this afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by tararua
I use a bullshit one on TM every time, I use my real one with the seller as its none of TMs business what my FAL number is. I just use the SAME bullshit number each time, no problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by Gerbs
ok i,ve never struck the stamp i dont think but not saying it dont exist.Quote:
They usually have a stamp too near the police use only section at the bottom?
story and that newsworthy are shit any way no loss.
as for occonnor remember his 58 guns siezed in 7 weeks .
well considering most are probably replicas non functioning toys and air rifles technicly not firearms id take his figures with a grain of salt.bring back jc he never stooped to this shit:yaeh am not durnk:
Petition running now to have her charged. Getting shredded on the TV3 FB page.
I hope that Auckland Police and Gun City fry that bitch...Put her in Jail!!!
signed (with my REAL name:D)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Where is the petition ?