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Out for a good story, true, false, lies, deception, anything that sells and self promotes, it's a worrying trend all right Rushy
Stop reading stuff. It's cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
is there something we can do to make our displeasure felt about this matter, as individuals or as a group ?
my partner just got off telling me i am ' all talk ' bless her heart . . in this case i don't want that to be true.
i am pissed off . . i want that woman and those that helped her stopped in their tracks, because if we don't they'll do it again. they can't help themselves the sick little puppies.
first off i am going to email GUNCITY and offer them my support . .. its not much but its a start, i wish others would also do the same.
if they TV3 pulled this shite in the US the NRA and gun owners would be all over their arse.
This guy is a nutter looks like hes been at it for a while to there are older articles hes done previously about duck shooting I wont post them as there not worth reading its a wonder the paper even publishes his shit .Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmay
Must say though the guys got balls even if they are the size of 7shot & probably an inverted cock if wear as crazy as he,s making out its a wonder he puts his name on the article :O_O:
This was my response to his article:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boaraxa
"Calm down Liberace, enough with the scare tactics and culture of fear. This is not the USA, and our record is better than that. Your baseless, bullshit article is neither addressing the cause of violent crime, or any of it's symptoms: you are targeting law abiding firearms owners. Any death that occurs as a result of a licensed individual is a result of failing to observe one of the 7 basic rules. Any death as a result of an un-licensed or criminal element is not the fault of those who are licensed (provided the 7 rules have been followed). More people are killed every year in drowning accidents: by your warped "logic" we should ban: swimming, boating, fishing, diving etc. Get out of town for a change instead of sitting behind a desk and spouting off rubbish on a topic you know nothing about!! This stuff gets media time? REALLY? Max Christoffersen - go back to your lattes and pink polo shirt collection."
Wow. That will certainly enhance his and his supporters' views of our tolerant, issue focussed and balanced approach. Not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickoli
CWhere did you post that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickoli
If these reporters think like "Americans" they should think about this just for a moment.
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Mac
The problem is simple, these people don't want anyone except the Government to have a firearm. Regardless of what they may say that is the end game.
Nothing will change the opinion of a zealot. Sarcasm is the lowest level of wit, you should try to say what you mean rather than play games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Was pretty passive to be honest: posted a link on Faeces Book with the comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krameranzac
Oh so very trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
As above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chop3r
Granted, the response is perhaps a little heated, but you cannot change the minds of people like this: they have brought into their idiom hook line and sinker.
The media aren't going to help either, yet no one is proposing a response that will work: attacking my response helps no one (my response may not have helped either, but it made me feel better).
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Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
he same week umpteen people died on the roads most armed with a weapon you dont need a licence to buy??
2 or 3 babies/children were killed by thier own family?? yet gun crime as the lowest homicide factor gets occonnors and storys attention. basicly cos the real crimes and thier fix are to hard to involve and might reqire some racially hard truths and a good long look at our own kids...we are a easy law abiding mostly target whose protests just getv written off as guncrazed.
guess the real problems have lost thier pull and soundbite ability. hang on who havent we picked on for a while no real reason but lets pull thier chain anyway we know they.l bite but it,l just look like guncrazy neandathols.:O_O:
FFS. All of this defensiveness. And Americanisms.
We are killing each other with our guns for heaven's sake. That's why there is attention on us.
Deflecting the argument back to road, children and swimming deaths just illustrates our lack of self awareness about our inability to blame ourselves. We need to get our shit together, stop talking and behaving like cocks and every single one of us should present to the public as being responsible, with our guns and our mouths.
Nickoli. Is that plain enough for you?
Thar - I addressed this in my response: any failure is because someone hasn't followed the 7 BASIC rules. Don't get your panties bunched up in a wad - I acknowledge that there are areas where work is needed. Sarcasm pisses me off.:sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I I never read all of this thread however I thought I'd add a few points of my own.
The current system is a farce and needs to be sorted, however that doesn't give a reporter a right to break the law in order to expose it, she could have gone about it in a much more sensible and organised way. I'd love to be the one charging her but that would go to somebody a long way above me.
Whenever I've filled out these forms for people I've always scanned and emailed them or posted them is offical police envelopes for them, saves the buyer a stamp and let's me sleep a little easier. I've been doing this for a couple of years now. I also make sure the delivery address is the address which the licence is registered too, when they want it sent to their work I confirm the address it is being sent to.
O'Conner has always appeared to be a great representative of the cops on the street, I quite like the guy and I'm gutted that he's leaving. I will reserve any slagging of him until I actually know what involvement he has had, I'm sick of reading the bs speculation.
The reason we ought to draw attention to swimming, drinking, driving deaths etc is because it is a much greater problem than gun death. The amount of people killed with firearms is miniscule in the big picture. You would be ignorant of reality to think that people won't get killed with guns, regardless of what gun control measures are put in place. Think cause and effect. The deaths grabbing headlines are from people mishandling firearms and not identifying what they're shooting at. They aren't from people mail ordering guns to commit homicide. How will the media's firearm control measures stop licensed gun owners from fucking up and killing someone? I've heard things like gun registration, gun bans, make it harder to get a license. Great. It's not going to stop licensed shooters from unintentionally shooting another human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
its not a epedemic tahr it one or two clustered together making it look that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
shit the cops rightly or wrongly shot just as many in a week or so to put it in perspective.
yes where ever you have a potentialy dangerous weapon you ill have mistakes and stupidity.how we minimise that is upto every one of us. your right and yes americanisms dont apply cos we have no right to defence of ourselves or liberty in our constitution.
how is it that helped by someone pointing out that fraud and criminality will help you to make things worse.
by organising a conspiracy to defraud and taking advantage of a theoretical problem that i doubt is putting guns in crims hands cos its to much risk. i can see shipping guns privately becoming extinct and h&f and the like rubbing thier hands with glee.
sadly no even people who train week in week out to actually shoot people or not, get it wrong.Quote:
Great. It's not going to stop licensed shooters from unintentionally shooting another human.
how can we who dont be expected to be faultlesssly perfect? we cant but can do our best to be safe and instill it in others.
then tell the truth about the 58 FIREARMS siezed in 7 weeks as usual its what he not saying that roots his arguement ie replica firearms air rifles:yaeh am not durnk:Quote:
O'Conner has always appeared to be a great representative of the cops on the street,
Guys we are all like the white ( or black) pawns on a chess board. We are on the same side. There is sense in what Thar has said and sense in what Nickoli has said. Passion as well in both.
We should heed the wisdom of ancient strategists. They still have application today.
Divide et Impera (Divide and Conquer) - Julius Caesar
He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. - Sun Tsu
Even one accidental death at the hands of a legitimate licensed firearms owner is far too many.
https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/r...aths/toll.html
Ban Cycling
Ban Motorcyclists
Put speed Governors in all cars to 80kph
New Zealand statistics | Alcohol.org.nz
Ban Alcohol
Quad bike safety | Worksafe
Ban Quad Bikes
All kill more people than hunting accidents. I am not saying that we should not do more to stop accidents but collective punishment is just Stalinist politics.
Unfortunately it is a philosophical problem these people have with private firearm ownership. They will use anything they can.
Forgive me if i "offend" any of you guys, it is/was not my intention at all, just "a fact" to me.
As i understand most of this "thing" that we are discussing right now came from people who "kind of" compare our NZ society with the "americans", so that hence my "american" post.(I am sorry @Tahr)
Yes, we do know that our law has problems and we should "ALL TOGETHER" work to help fix it, reporters who look at create havoc is in pursuit of disagreement, division and dissolution, this way they will win over us good people who follow the (may be "fail") but law.
We need to be together and support each other in this matter and stop find ways to justify GC or the reporter actions, what is right is right and the wrong will come up some time soon so the law breakers will be punished.
If "we" know so much about the law and the "loop holes" that it has, why not study it a bit more to help the police and other authorities relate to make it safer.
Thank you for your time.
Mac
Surely didn't offend me Mac.
We are NOT the US and our laws cannot be compared. If we want to give up our "Privilege" to own arms then just keep apologising and it will happen just as the unknown of journalist from the Waikato says.
PERRISCICABA don't be an apologist ,there is still sense in some of those "Americanisms" or call them what you want. Still amusing:D
It's a Pity, I think we should all stick together and not fight.
@300CALMAN, AGREED with the stick together!
My apologies are because I am a quiet polite guy and don't want to be miss interpreted.
As you mention, I want to keep together and to wih all of you guys as one "team"!
Guys at then end of the day the people that know the best will not consult, look at mountain safety treatment, and will change as they see best, no doubt a university qualification and a politician looking for a vote will be the most important qualification in changing into the law.
I agree with the above comments, there are far worse things going on in NZ than legal firearms. The illegal ones are a different matter all together. Another interesting stat would be how many accidents the police themselves have in handling their firearms, I believe there's a few? Life's full of dangers it's one of the problems of being born! We are becoming to sanitized.
COLFO statement from their Facebook page
COLFO congratulates the Police in moving quickly to correct a deficiency in the procedure to obtain firearms by mail order, as demonstrated by the illegal and fraudulent purchase of a .22 calibre rifle by TV3.
There is a process called internal or operational audit (including fraud) which, carried out properly by appropriately qualified professionals should identify system weaknesses such as the one highlighted here. COLFO suggests the police use proper processes and appropriately qualified people in future and are available to assist in the provision of such professionals.
COLFO also understands that this deficiency was brought to the attention of TV3 by the Police Union and we therefore wonder why the deficiency was not raised by the union through proper Police channels. What was the true motivation behind this public display of criminal behaviour? Does this set a precedent that it is acceptable to break the law just to show that you can.
COLFO knows of at least three firearms dealers who have not been officially told of the change and hopes the police will quickly address this deficiency and communicate properly and directly with all affected parties
Am I sucking cock here?
I don't think so Maca, does your mouth feel full?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
You'll never know!:thumbsup:
That article from the Waikato times was psychologically disturbing, his "suspicious" views on Hunters is not only alarming but incredibly insulting to say the least. And ironically HE is the one that is "paranoid" especially trying to stipulate that we are all ticking time bombs being as he called it "nutters"
I have met some of the nicest down to earth people in the firearm industry through reputable gun clubs and organizations like this site, COLFO etc. We are NOT nutters, far from it. Obviously I can't speak for everyone in NZ, no one can but we need to stick together on this "mass anti-gun hysteria" that's being portrayed on the TV. It's predominately infected with misinformation and deception which is why many of us law-abiding citizens frown and feel angry about it...
It's a battle of the publics minds as of lately, that is the true reason that drives this agenda - They (The media in this case) want the masses to think we are ALL irresponsible, gun-loving nutters and according to the headlines in places like stuff (spew) or TV3, yes! There is a huge gun problem in NZ!
What a total psyop. As many have said here, justice needs to be served so yes, Heather should be prosecuted.
On a happier note COLFO will be our saving grace and we all should encourage more new/active shooters & hunters to sign up.
Sasquatch out
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And timed nicely to coincide with up and coming changes to the arms act. See enclosed response from Police Minister to a letter of mine on the subject.
Going by his statistics there are nearly as many guns in country as there are cars. Cars kill hundreds of people each year and as mentioned before you dont need a license to buy one. Perhaps TV3 could do a story on that......Oh wait, then everyone will see how twisted they really are. As for stuff, there is a reason its names that- Stuff all fact checking, Stuff all truth, and Stuff you if you dont like all the fringe element reporters we found......Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
There used to be an editor who would fact check before something goes to print- now Stuff just prints what it likes and if it is later found to be (woefully) inaccurate or wrong, they just change it after everyone has already taken the lies for truth. They dont even check the spelling and I have spotted some real primary school level shockers in there.
You'll get the argument that cars have a legitimate use so the risk is acceptable. This is where the argument between pro and anti and some in between breaks down. We don't see anything wrong with what we do. They hate what we do.
And the Dom Post puts its two cents worth in.
Editorial: New Zealand's gun laws still too lax | Stuff.co.nz
I don't know why some have compared us, as gun owners, with the US. The US has the RIGHT to own and bear arms embedded in law by their Constitution. We don't even have a Constitution; and the PRIVILEGE of owning and bearing arms is "granted" to us by politicians elected by us to represent us - and Greg O'Connor wants to be one of them. He plans to ride his hobby-horse in to town and clean up. The sad thing is that he will quite likely to succeed. An even sadder thing is that we will likely let him. The woman broke laws and put herself in this position. And let's not forget the origin of this whole issue - Greg O'Connor. TV3's dumb reporter let her stupid self be manipulated into this situation. She should face consequences just as you or I would - for being so bloody stupid, if nothing else. The fact is, she has been used by O'Connor - no great intellect himself - but she has flopped straight into his agenda. Savage1, with all due respect, the boss of your union is a conniving, manipulative, self-serving, media whore with political ambitions. Good that a hole has been patched, but if O'Connor was for real he would have taken it to the Commissioner, not a so-called journalist. Fact is, he has dropped her in the shit. I hope he catches some of the splatter.
When the day comes that it is as easy to get a Firearms Licence as it is to drive legally on our roads, I'll REALY worry.
I don't understand tetawa. It is a lot more difficult to get a drivers licence than an FAL. Learners can only drive under supervision (lessons really), restricted can only drive by themselves or with a full license holder, full license takes a couple of years to get. Am I missing your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
