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I am buying materials for building this as picture shown, and I will need to tell the seller how long I need so that they could fix the cable end. Is that two meters is good enough for two guns? One rifle, one shotgun? Or, I should buy two cables and more parts except drill. thank you for any inputs.
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I have bought 10 eye bolts cost me here less than two dollars for each, but why all the screws in NZ are so expensive?
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Try one of these instead... probably cheaper, easier, and more likely to be approved by an inspecting officer.
https://outdoorshop.nz/products/gun-...oor-outfitters
Ideally buy it from an independent NZ gun store.
Something like this is far better than the cable.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeah_na_missed
Would be more secure if you drilled through the stock with a hole saw, and just bog the hole up if you ever want to sell it.
WTF. Why do that when cable with swaged end loops fed through mag well, around secure framing and padlocked is plenty secure enough. Meets regulations so why butcher a stock which in all probability will be cut down anyway if stolen. Bet you wouldn’t do that to your own gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidGunn
yes like woods 223 WTF - surely you are trying to wind someone up - if you are even remotely serious then WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by DavidGunn
'Thumbhole' stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
Thank you. will give it a tryQuote:
Originally Posted by yeah_na_missed
HahaBunnings class as a non price sensitive item :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Black Rabbit
Welcome to the NEW, New Zealand...Quote:
Originally Posted by woods223
What's the intent of those thin linky cable type padlocks these rack come with? Goes through the hole in end of mounting pin? Why don't they get supplied with a decent padlock that has minimal length U so harder to snip with bolt cutters?Quote:
Originally Posted by yeah_na_missed
The rack is fine but you will be asked to round off the bolts.
Best to go for a cheap safe you can mount horizontally as you can leave the hex heads intact
What a lot of nonsense.
Everybody here, including the OP is over-thinking what is required. His picture, which has been taken from the current NZ Police "firearms secure storage guidance shows an inordinate length of cable passing through the mag' well, around part of the wooden structure, through some eye-bolts, and tied together with a padlock of some doubtful quality.
Why not use a piece of cable, similar to that shown, and simply pass it through the mag' well and wrap it once around the timber framing. Once only. Any more than once does not increase the level of security.
Oh, sorry. I'm taking it as gospel that what NZ Police show is a good solution. Silly me.
Think about it folks. And don't over complicate a simple solution.
This, from the Guidance: (can be found here https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....transportation ) page 6
2.2.3 Securing a Single Firearm to a Building
To secure a single firearm to a building Police recommends the following:
1. The firearm is retained by a cable (4mm-6mm wire or steel rope or cable with a substantial padlock) that is wound through the action of the firearm and retained by at least two 10mm x 100mm eye bolts or screws, alternatively through a stud or rafter or joist (stud). Eye bolts serve absolutely no purpose.
2. If eye bolts are used the cable must weave through the firearm action and be locked to cover and prevent access to the eye bolts. Eye bolts are not needed if you wrap the cable around the stud, rafter, or joist.
3. If the cable passes through a stud, the hole must be drilled so there is at least 50mm of material between the edge of the stud and the edge of the hole. The stud must be at least 50mm in depth where the hole has been drilled. If a hole, big enough to pass the cable end eye through, has to be drilled through a stud, rafter, or joist, what thought has been given to the structural integrity of that material in its original and intended purpose?
4. By passing the cable through the action the firearm is effectively immobilised; however, the bolt should be stored separately.
5. The firearm should be hidden from sight and not easily detectable.
Yes, you right. But the thing is...I have to keep my stuffs simple for my SUV in case I have to move. Secondly, a gun safe is not good item in landlord`s eye, they do `t want to any holes.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
they will never notice the holes if you do it in a wardrobe...Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Rabbit
Or inside the roof cavity
Stick safe horizontally in roofspace
I have put one of those brackets as linked in our caravan, it takes a standard size padlock. Mine has been signed off by the arms officer.
Right, the last time even the safety inspector suggested me that I can fix one there, no ones will notice. I will buy a gun safe anyway since I am going to apply for pistol license, and this measure only for couple months in this year. Thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by makka
Good idea. But, as said I have to keep my stuffs simple, no more than a SUV load for now, at least for this year until my pistol license approved.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
May I ask how long is your cable? I have ordered rest parts, just the cable, like to know how long is enough for two guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
Not a cable but the rack type as linked earlier
Battery powered angle grinder will go through it like shit through a goose.NZ police need reminding of this as reality is your security measures are desugned to impede theives progress more than anything these days.next time they inspect me Im gonna label my safes home dentention cause thats allf/a crime seemas to merit these days unless of course youre a long suffering FAL, BTWbuilding regulations expressly forbid anything being attached to walls intended for purposes of fire protection as i found out.wonder if the new amazing firearms outfit is aware of that wee gem!
PS-the majority of my collection also have gunlocks just cause i like keys>
My bolt action has the bolt stored seperatly but my single shot is stored with a trigger lock in the safe until we move then both will be in a rack.
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Got eye bolt today. This is solid, more than required and I save 40 dollars:P by souring it else where.
End of the day I thinknspend the best money you can afford to get the best security. These days as other Said a battery angle grinder will cut thru anything. That said of they really want it they will take it.leave a note ..all bolts removed and firing pins .firearms are useless. It's a shame we need to gw to extent to secure our firearms from criminals ..and if we don't we become one ourself for breaking the firearms act .
Good, common sense advice including the idea of leaving a note, presuming the thief can read which isn't guaranteed these days with school curriculum's under Labour being what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quackers
