Uncovered guns

Ok , what are people's opinions on gun owners walking into gun stores with uncovered guns, this involves walking across a car park, prior to entering the shop.

Its legal but a dumb idea

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Never had an issue seeing firearms anywhere in NZ.

Depending on how it is carried I have no problem with it.

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Had a guy walk past at a certain monthly meet with a 1919 30 cal machine gun, then another dude with a sten in each hand a minute later. If the police get called about someone walking into a gun shop with a gun, they'll also be the ones reporting lions at the zoo

Interesting so far,
berg you say it reinforces press hysteria if gun owners put there guns in bags ?, surely if a gun is in a bag then it removes any argument the press has. Just curious but when did you last walk into a store full of customers ( say upto 30 people mainly buying fishing gear and clothes ) with a gun under your arm, not looking for a argument here, just trying to work out if asking a customers to next time bring it in covered is a unusual request, we have a policy of never letting a customer leave with a uncovered gun.

So you sell a silky lopper (nastiest bit of kit for hurting people with) to your customer and request he hides it so no one sees it? Same damn thing.

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

So you sell a silky lopper (nastiest bit of kit for hurting people with) to your customer and request he hides it so no one sees it? Same damn thing.

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Actually a motor car is more dangerous, but we are trying to have a sensible discussion, and yes it doe,s leave in a carrier bag

I have been carrying uncovered guns in and out of shops for years. I carry them with the action open where possible and hold them vertically by the muzzle (often a couple in each hand). It is a totally non-threatening method and obvious to all that you are merely moving them. There is no legal requirement to cover them in public but merely be carrying them for a 'lawful sufficient purpose'. If you bend over backwards to accommodate the whims of the hoplophobes they will only see that as an excuse to make more unlawful demands. Feck em!

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

So you sell a silky lopper (nastiest bit of kit for hurting people with) to your customer and request he hides it so no one sees it? Same damn thing.

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I think the public are more likely to call the cops if they see an uncovered gun than than a pruning saw. So no, not really the same.

Same here @gundoc. I once took my AR into my local Engineer's shop to acquire some parts for it and they were fine. Demonstrated it was unloaded of course and proceeded with my enquiry - no big deal.

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Originally Posted by berg243

can see its not loaded if carried properly not in a case or bag.all this bullshit about hiding them in bags or cases just reinforces the press's hysteria about dangerous weapons and their dodgy owners.

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Fuck off.

Idiots wandering around the place even across a car park, legally or not, with uncovered guns is what reinforces hysteria in the press and public about guns.

Keeping them in a cover so as not to potentially scare people unnecessarily is a much more responsible thing to do. Not just for you but all gun owners.

So out of the replies so far, if you were asked , " next time can you please have your gun covered, when entering the store" would you be offended.

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Originally Posted by systolic

I think the public are more likely to call the cops if they see an uncovered gun than than a pruning saw. So no, not really the same.

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A silky lopper will take your arm ( or head) off with ease. Made no reference to a saw of any kind. Quite happy to wander into a gunshop anywhere with a rifle in my hands, open action or bolt out-would not wander around anywhere but the bush with an unsheathed lopper in my hand.

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Originally Posted by Taff

So out of the replies so far, if you were asked , " next time can you please have your gun covered, when entering the store" would you be offended.

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I tell the requestee they better stop selling guns then. Would be offended as fuck actually. If it was to be a "shop rule", I would never go back and would not be shy in commenting on it to anyone and every one. Every inch conceded to the politically correct, is an inch you will never get back.

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

I tell the requestee they better stop selling guns then. Would be offended as fuck actually. If it was to be a "shop rule", I would never go back and would not be shy in commenting on it to anyone and every one. Every inch conceded to the politically correct, is an inch you will never get back.

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There's a popular gunsmith that requests guns be hidden or covered in a bag or something and he's in a residential area, not town.
I don't have a problem with a case, it's still obvious what you have but less likely to cause an issue. Who wants issues, and who doesn't use a case of some kind to protect in travel.

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

I tell the requestee they better stop selling guns then. Would be offended as fuck actually. If it was to be a "shop rule", I would never go back and would not be shy in commenting on it to anyone and every one. Every inch conceded to the politically correct, is an inch you will never get back.

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Why would you be 'offended as fuck' about being asked to act like a responsible gun owner and not like some American open carry activist?

It's not about being politically correct, it's about acting like a responsible adult when out in public with a gun.

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Originally Posted by systolic

Fuck off.

Idiots wandering around the place even across a car park, legally or not, with uncovered guns is what reinforces hysteria in the press and public about guns.

Keeping them in a cover so as not to potentially scare people unnecessarily is a much more responsible thing to do. Not just for you but all gun owners.

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@systolic

You are not totally wrong, except maybe for the abuse, but then again you are not completely right.

How long ago was it AOS was sent and had a LFAO on the ground at gunpoint... for carrying a cased rifle?

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Originally Posted by systolic

Why would you be 'offended as fuck' about being asked to act like a responsible gun owner and not like some American open carry activist?

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That's the problem: what constitutes "being responsible" shifts over time because some screeching muppet gets their back up with no good reason, normal people capitulate overtime, to the point where kids can't play with Nerf guns and get sent home from school for playing cops n robbers.

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It's not about being politically correct, it's about acting like a responsible adult when out in public with a gun.

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Does that extend to police hiding their glocks and tasers under special modesty flaps? Guarding crack labs with AR hidden under a blanket in case some poor dear has her retinas burned by the evil blackness?

Side note: you make some excellent points most of the time, but your first post on this thread starts with "Fuck off". It's all downhill from there mate, I've said it before, you do yourself a disservice with the agro.

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Originally Posted by systolic

Why would you be 'offended as fuck' about being asked to act like a responsible gun owner and not like some American open carry activist?

It's not about being politically correct, it's about acting like a responsible adult when out in public with a gun.

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Its PC bullshit!, I think it safer to see the rifle than have it hidden in a cover, Don't you remember Violin Cases full of Thompsons? They were really safe?
Oh well, outa sight, outa mind, head up arse!:)

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Originally Posted by bully

There's a popular gunsmith that requests guns be hidden or covered in a bag or something and he's in a residential area, not town.
I don't have a problem with a case, it's still obvious what you have but less likely to cause an issue. Who wants issues, and who doesn't use a case of some kind to protect in travel.

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I see a distinct difference to a private smith (perhaps working from home if its the one I'm thinking of) and a firearm retailer. Me personally I am happy to use a case to and fro from a shop but that's more how I just do it to protect my shit more than any actual worry about public perception.

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Originally Posted by Gibo

I see a distinct difference to a private smith (perhaps working from home if its the one I'm thinking of) and a firearm retailer. Me personally I am happy to use a case to and fro from a shop but that's more how I just do it to protect my shit more than any actual worry about public perception.

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Indeed. If it is in a bag or case any theiving scum that may be watching wont know if it is a shitty old piece of shit or a flash expensive piece of treasure worth stealing by watching where you go (or getting rego and following you home...) The public feels safer with them ina bag or case. Ironically, tis means you cannot tell if they are "made safe" (action open, chamber flags etc) or loaded and ready to go...(Definitely a no no)

I carry mine in bags if I have to take them to a shop. Not so much for public perception, but so it does not get damaged. As it has either just come from or is about to go into my boot for the trip home. I dont want wood stocks and scopes banging around in the boot with the sharp edges and metal stuff that is sharing the space. Its a simple and practical solution.

I park up outside, go in and then tell the staff im about to bring in an unloaded firearm without a bag, go in and show them it has an empty chamber before handing it over......thats just way i roll

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Originally Posted by Cordite

@systolic

You are not totally wrong, except maybe for the abuse, but then again you are not completely right.

How long ago was it AOS was sent and had a LFAO on the ground at gunpoint... for carrying a cased rifle?

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Do you think you are less likely to have the cops called if you are walking around, or just across a car park, with your gun is in full view and not in a case?

I have no idea of the numbers, but I bet the cops are called to a shitload more cases where guns are uncovered in public than carried in bags or cases.

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Originally Posted by Taff

So out of the replies so far, if you were asked , " next time can you please have your gun covered, when entering the store" would you be offended.

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no.

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Originally Posted by Tommy

Side note: you make some excellent points most of the time, but your first post on this thread starts with "Fuck off". It's all downhill from there mate, I've said it before, you do yourself a disservice with the agro.

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Who the fuck are you? My school guidance counsellor?

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Originally Posted by systolic

Who the fuck are you? My school guidance counsellor?

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No Lee, just pointing out that you're rude fuckwit that goes off at people for nothing because you think you're anonymous.

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Originally Posted by systolic

Who the fuck are you? My school guidance counsellor?

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You are of course illustrating the point of @Tommy very well, @systolic.

My point is that the case is no protection against AOS callouts, the problem is the hysteria, and perhaps a need to desensitise the general public by letting them see guns instead of trying to hide them. The case is to protect the gun from the world from scratching it, it is not to protect the world from seeing a gun. The way I see it, the more cool guns are displayed, the more worthy law abiding people will get inspired to go get their own FAL... to get their own cool guns. My particular bolt action guns are not particularly cool though, but AR owners take note.

Cool see-through gun bags!!! Any takers???

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I wouldn't be upset if I was asked to bring my gun into a store in a case but I also don't see an issue if you are in a gunshops carpark and you are taking the gun a few meters into the store.
Just my 10 cents worth.

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Originally Posted by Scouser

I park up outside, go in and then tell the staff im about to bring in an unloaded firearm without a bag, go in and show them it has an empty chamber before handing it over......thats just way i roll

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@Scouser sorry to play devils advocate but you just broke the law by leaving your gun in vehicle unattended.....himmm....bugger:P guess your better off the other way;)

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Originally Posted by Cordite

You are of course illustrating the point of @Tommy very well, @systolic.

My point is that the case is no protection against AOS callouts, the problem is the hysteria, and perhaps a need to desensitise the general public by letting them see guns instead of trying to hide them. The case is to protect the gun from the world from scratching it, it is not to protect the world from seeing a gun. The way I see it, the more cool guns are displayed, the more worthy law abiding people will get inspired to go get their own FAL... to get their own cool guns. My particular bolt action guns are not particularly cool though, but AR owners take note.

Cool see-through gun bags!!! Any takers???

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You really think that letting people see you walking around with uncovered guns in will 'desensitise' the general public' rather than frighten them?

You are fucking mad.

I don't know or care what your gun bags are for, but mine are to keep them out of sight just as much as protection.

Shit back in the 80s I was in Papatoetoe, had a Martini henry 577/450 in a sock, in the boot of my car, just on the Northern end of the town ship.
My car was parked outside this guys place and I had the boot up discretely showing him this rifle. The butt was poking out a little and bugger me a cop car pulled up along side.
I was dressed in a suit, tie and all. The cop, talking through the cars window, asked me what the hell I thought I was doing and to leave the rifle in the boot and close it. He then wanted my license and checked me out on the radio.
Ended up telling me, this was Auckland, not Tauranga and in future to be careful how I displayed my firearms in public.
So paranoia was alive and well way back then!:O_O:

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Originally Posted by systolic

Fuck off.

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Originally Posted by systolic

Who the fuck are you?

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Originally Posted by systolic

You are fucking mad.

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Fit and proper much there princess?

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Originally Posted by systolic

It's about acting like a responsible adult.

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Take your own advice.

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Originally Posted by Moutere

Take your own advice.

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What will you do if I don't?



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Isn't it strange how homosexuality, transgender, vegans, rabid animal rights activists, rampant and illogical 'political correctness', racial quotas, etc. (things that were all considered taboo until very recently) are allowed to be constantly rubbed in the public's nose by the news media these days (regardless of how offensive it may be to most people) while other RIGHTS we have enjoyed for hundreds of years are considered distasteful by the great unwashed (or should that be the great brainwashed?). I believe that if you have 'grown a set' over your life you should be allowed to show them!

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Originally Posted by systolic

What will you do if I don't?



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Nah, I’m good.
Nothing really, I’m not the one acting like a knob here.

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Originally Posted by Moutere

Nah, I’m good.
Nothing really, I’m not the one acting like a knob here.

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I think you might be a knob, trying to equate bad language with not being fit and proper.

Or you might just be a sensitive wee soul.

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Originally Posted by gundoc

Isn't it strange how homosexuality, transgender, vegans, rabid animal rights activists, rampant and illogical 'political correctness', racial quotas, etc. (things that were all considered taboo until very recently) are allowed to be constantly rubbed in the public's nose by the news media these days (regardless of how offensive it may be to most people) while other RIGHTS we have enjoyed for hundreds of years are considered distasteful by the great unwashed (or should that be the great brainwashed?). I believe that if you have 'grown a set' over your life you should be allowed to show them!

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You give them to much credit I think of them as "Vacant heads" nothing in there to wash

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Originally Posted by systolic

I think you might be a knob, trying to equate bad language with not being fit and proper.

Or you might just be a sensitive wee soul.

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I don’t know you from a bar of soap.
I just know your a potty mouth.
More recently you’ve added some real value with some of your input here of late.
You just ruin it though more often than not.

Including elements from several of these postings: I enquiried of my local AO re carrying 2 x centrefires down country esp as missus wanted to stop and look at botanical gardens. Told AO I was concerned as could not leave firearms unattended. His advice was to leave them and “don’t go too far away...” Missus did not get to see the garden this trip as I was not happy with leaving unattended weapons and she was not happy with me carrying them, cased, strapped to a golf trundler as we navigated the 100 acre plantation. Damned if I do and same if I don’t.

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Originally Posted by gundoc

Isn't it strange how homosexuality, transgender, vegans, rabid animal rights activists, rampant and illogical 'political correctness', racial quotas, etc. (things that were all considered taboo until very recently) are allowed to be constantly rubbed in the public's nose by the news media these days (regardless of how offensive it may be to most people) while other RIGHTS we have enjoyed for hundreds of years are considered distasteful by the great unwashed (or should that be the great brainwashed?). I believe that if you have 'grown a set' over your life you should be allowed to show them!

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@gundoc,

It does prove that in-your-face involuntary desensitisation works. As I was saying, about transparent gun cases... (-: