Thread: Unlicenced man sells illegal firearm to gang member

Whanganui man admits selling illegal firearm to gang member - NZ Herald


Something to make legit firearms owners spew. 
What I want to know is where did he get it from in the first place?
What sort of deterrent sentience do you think this valuable member of society will get? Home D? Some waste of time community service? Or will judge Cooper will make an example of him?����

Bit that makes me. Spew is that he was allowed to leave the firearms store with a firearm having not shown his licence. All nz stores have this policy (asked around after someone on here got caught out), said store needs a kick up the arse

The store is under no obligation to see his license, he took the rifle in therefore the assumption would be he was the legal owner. Had he left it there for repair etc he would have been asked to produce his license when picking it up.

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

The store is under no obligation to see his license, he took the rifle in therefore the assumption would be he was the legal owner. Had he left it there for repair etc he would have been asked to produce his license when picking it up.

What most are unaware of is that the shop is also required (according to the arms regulations) to record the license details and address of the person dropping the firearm off for repair, not only on collection.

Originally Posted by DPT

What most are unaware of is that the shop is also required (according to the arms regulations) to record the license details and address of the person dropping the firearm off for repair, not only on collection.

Address? I don't think I have ever been asked for that.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Address? I don't think I have ever been asked for that.

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Even if I was I wouldn't give them my real home address.

Originally Posted by systolic

Even if I was I wouldn't give them my real home address.

Yea I would think twice on that also

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Address? I don't think I have ever been asked for that.

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Unfortunately it is a requirement of a dealer, it seems most dealers are unaware of this as we were until pointed out by our local arms officer.

The arms act refers to the arms regulations Arms Regulations 1992 (SR 1992/346) (as at 01 July 2017) Contents – New Zealand Legislation
click on #7 "records kept by licence dealer" and then go down to #2



Every licensed dealer must record, in respect of every item to which this regulation applies received by the licensed dealer (including every item received for sale, repair, or modification),—
(a)
particulars of the item (including its serial number, calibre, make, and model); and

(b)
the date the item was received; and

(c)
except in the case of a pistol or restricted weapon received under section 10(2) of the Act, the name and address of the person from whom the item is received; and

(d)
except in the case of a pistol or restricted weapon received under section 10(2) of the Act or a restricted airgun received from a person who is of or over the age of 18 years, the number of the firearms licence of the person from whom the item is received

@DPT You make a factual point backed up by law.

However the rifle in question was Never Received by the dealer in question. I know this as FACT.

The shitbag wanted a new magazine for the rifle and when asked what it was, ie make model, he did not know.
This the point at which he went to the car to retrieve it.

So point I'm making is the rifle was only brought onto the premises to confirm a part requirement. It was never received, held or even repaired by dealer.

Personally I don't think you should be able to buy any gun parts with a gun licence
hope judge makes an example of him

Where's the problem now? Illegal firearm, selling it to a gang member, growing an illegal drug? It will be with the judge if the sentence doesn't fit the crime. The police by now should have made attempts to recover it and the purchaser also charged?

community service and a sad face sticker on his hand.

Don't so stupid guys the obvious solution to the problem is to tighten up on us guys we did the crime after all

It sounds like the rifle was sawnoff or something similar for it to be an illegal firearm (and to fit under a car seat), and that probably the gun shop reported it to the police. The article says they searched his place because he had no license, so someone had to have told the police he had a firearm. 16 days from shop visit to search is a long time though.

Originally Posted by Cigar

It sounds like the rifle was sawnoff or something similar for it to be an illegal firearm (and to fit under a car seat), and that probably the gun shop reported it to the police. The article says they searched his place because he had no license, so someone had to have told the police he had a firearm. 16 days from shop visit to search is a long time though.

Yep agree, I was left wondering that too. He was clearly sketchy enough for the shop to report to the police, but after two and a half weeks it's no wonder he'd had time to get rid of it. It will be interesting to see how the judiciary treat it and what proportion of the max sentence he gets. It can hardly be considered a minor end of the spectrum offence for several reasons, so lets see if it gets less than 1/10th of max (my bet is that it won't even end up being that)