Thread: Useing the firearms register

Originally Posted by zimmer

Remember, it wasn't that long ago that a couple of dealers proposed in the submissions that all person to person sales had to go via a dealer. Is this going to come back to haunt us? Look at Oz for example.

With the person to person sales there is the requirement that the two parties then go off and get stuck into the register ha ha.
Interestingly, and I don't think it has changed, but the seller must view the buyers licence, but I don't think it goes the other way ie seller doesn't have to present his licence to the buyer. Correct me if I'm wrong. I always have done though.

This is a grey area: it is an offence to sell a firearm if you don't have a FAL. Whether it's an offence to purchase a firearm from someone who doesn't have a FAL is a moot point. I always ask to see the seller's licence.

And while all this is going on the illegal firearm's trade is ticking along merrily unhindered. I wonder if its increased the value of them?

It's early days but I for one won't be changing my buying habits. If something comes along that takes my fancy I'll buy it and press the button on my "submission" which is largely complete but not lodged. I don't think the register will achieve anything useful, much less make us safer, but I'm dammed if it'll spoil my fun.

The howls about data security don't cut any ice with me, police, shops, TM, other govt agencies all know I have firearms, if someone wants the data they'll figure out a means of obtaining it.

Lots of new license holders will be in the same position, "just got my license and want a rifle".

After their disc grinder treatment, for the criminal maybe but not for the older owner .

Yes, as I said I always present my licence to the buyer even if he doesn't ask to see mine
The other thing, which I am bad at, is quickly scanning the licence. Make a point of reading it carefully.

Even on tm you only have to put your fal in if buying or asking a question. Not exactly sure why you need a fal to ask a question. Never been asked at a gun shop for fal when asking...

Originally Posted by blip

Even on tm you only have to put your fal in if buying or asking a question. Not exactly sure why you need a fal to ask a question. Never been asked at a gun shop for fal when asking...

Even if the question is about a non functional miniature decorative cannon it seems.

Originally Posted by blip

Even on tm you only have to put your fal in if buying or asking a question. Not exactly sure why you need a fal to ask a question.

It's to prevent out of band deals. Basically stopping some gang lacky trying to contact the seller directly and offering a cash deal at what the seller wants or higher (thus bypassing the TM fal validation process).

Originally Posted by vulcannz

It's to prevent out of band deals. Basically stopping some gang lacky trying to contact the seller directly and offering a cash deal at what the seller wants or higher (thus bypassing the TM fal validation process).

All you need to do if you wanted to bypass that check is list a car or vehicle. My view on it is that like Elon Musk's setup - it's not to prevent outside site dealing it's to 'look' like they are doing something to prevent outside site deals. The same outfit got in the crap for leaning on someone to complete the sale of a firearm when the buyer couldn't provide the mail order form and to complete the transaction would have been a breach of Arms Act requirements. Seller got paid for the item straight away despite needing to get the S43a form and work out shipping costs, buyer refused to give bank details to get refunded and complained to Trademe when the seller would send without the correct form. Dodgy all around, and if the requirement to enter your firearms licence number worked this situation should never have happened. TM would not (or could not) supply the details entered on the site to actually bid.

This is how long it took to transfer one firearm, nothing fancy just a Tikka T3x 6.5crd.

Why do we have to call, why don’t they have a transfer function on the website.
Why the procedure is not automated in case of an online sale. They already have all the info when we get the mail order form approved. I had to give all the info available on the mail order form again over the phone.

I have been happy to comply but this is not serious…

Then I had to call to register a Tikka with a custom barrel (7mm Prc) as they only have factory rifle in the list. They registered it over the phone but it is not showing on MyFirearm website. When I asked why the operator said firearm registered over the phone don’t show on the website, you have to go to the Police station for them to print the list of your registered firearm to get full confirmation.

Then I had to call to register a Tikka with a custom barrel (7mm Prc) as they only have factory rifle in the list. They registered it over the phone but it is not showing on MyFirearm website. When I asked why the operator said firearm registered over the phone don’t show on the website, you have to go to the Police station for them to print the list of your registered firearm to get full confirmation.[/QUOTE]

It is possible online to register a rifle in non-factory calibre. I did it with my Tikka T3X barreled in .300 Blaser Mag. I had to obtain phone advice from the Register contact centre on how to do it as the procedure is not obvious or indicated when filling in the online forms to register. Then, when I finished registering my entire battery of firearms there is another section you can go to showing the detailed list of what's registered in your name. That should negate any need to visit the Police for confirmation. When I talked to the Registry contact center personnel all tried very much to be helpful but obviously they were not expertly versed in the registration procedures until I got one young lady who was a real whiz who helped me at lightning speed. She knew her stuff.

OK, @tibo
I think I've got this right.
1). First, log in to your Registry account.
2). It should bring up this page with my submissions in blue text at top right. Click on that.

3). Then, this page should appear with "my firearms submitted forms" in black text at the top. Click on that. It opens the page showing at step 4

4). This page is the summary of your submitted registry entries which should separately list each individually registered firearm.
On the left are code numbers in blue text ( REG - ****** ). Click on the blue code and the page of your registered firearms, including details, should appear.


Hope all this works for you. Cheers

Originally Posted by 30.06king

OK, @tibo
I think I've got this right.
1). First, log in to your Registry account.
2). It should bring up this page with my submissions in blue text at top right. Click on that.

3). Then, this page should appear with "my firearms submitted forms" in black text at the top. Click on that. It opens the page showing at step 4

4). This page is the summary of your submitted registry entries which should separately list each individually registered firearm.
On the left are code numbers in blue text ( REG - ****** ). Click on the blue code and the page of your registered firearms, including details, should appear.


Hope all this works for you. Cheers

Thanks mate appreciate that. I will have a look tonight

Why couldn't they make it simply by having boxes on their website that we fill/type out the firearms make, model, caliber, serial number etc

Because of the way databases work and each field needing to have the same data to smooth comparisons and speed searching and reporting functions. Unfortunately, in this case there are so many variations in this field with the information they are wanting to record there's going to be a massive amount of data generated in a very short timespace. Databases are most accurate when kept simple, to the point and without fluff being captured as well. In this case I suspect that the database is not fully complete and that there is a massive amount of work still going on in behind the scene to increase the level of functionality. Unfortunately that would increase the risk to the system as well...