Thread: Useing the firearms register

Originally Posted by ronz

Did he say that? Was that during his press conference?

It was in response to a query, and he intimated that it was the most common way someone got an illegal firearm.

Originally Posted by Growlybear

It was in response to a query, and he intimated that it was the most common way someone got an illegal firearm.

I do struggle with the continued push from the powers that be with the statement that this is the most common way - it would seem that the published stats do not support this but there may well be some other set of stats that does back this up. On the recently published stats, it would seem that there is a very small group of people who were issued licences who subsequently were found to not meet the "fit and proper" test who did engage in straw buying and on selling - but also there were a group who lost firearms through criminal action i.e. burglary. Nothing I saw supported the statement the most common way criminals got firearms were through unlawful sales by firearms license holders. It would seem that "if you want to keep claiming it, prove it" needs to happen there.

Either way, I cannot work out how a registry will stop loss through direct criminal action i.e. burglary - and without a mechanism to verify that the registered numbers match the contents of the registered person's safe it will only stop the law abiding from breaking the law (which ironically is exactly what the current laws do just at much lower cost as the law abiding weren't breaking the law anyway).

Originally Posted by No.3

I do struggle with the continued push from the powers that be with the statement that this is the most common way - it would seem that the published stats do not support this but there may well be some other set of stats that does back this up. On the recently published stats, it would seem that there is a very small group of people who were issued licences who subsequently were found to not meet the "fit and proper" test who did engage in straw buying and on selling - but also there were a group who lost firearms through criminal action i.e. burglary. Nothing I saw supported the statement the most common way criminals got firearms were through unlawful sales by firearms license holders. It would seem that "if you want to keep claiming it, prove it" needs to happen there.

Either way, I cannot work out how a registry will stop loss through direct criminal action i.e. burglary - and without a mechanism to verify that the registered numbers match the contents of the registered person's safe it will only stop the law abiding from breaking the law (which ironically is exactly what the current laws do just at much lower cost as the law abiding weren't breaking the law anyway).

somewhere in this whole controversial issue i distinctly remember NZ police sayin g they had identified 12persons with gang affiliations who were register FALO's.If further action /investigation was undertaken on those 12 is unknown.

Originally Posted by kotuku

somewhere in this whole controversial issue i distinctly remember NZ police sayin g they had identified 12persons with gang affiliations who were register FALO's.If further action /investigation was undertaken on those 12 is unknown.

And that's the conundrum with licensing, just because you at that time hold a firearms licence it doesn't automatically make you fit and proper. Even the highest position holders in Police, Justice etc can make bad life choices.

Has anyone asked or received advice on how they wish you to enter a bolt action rifle a where you have both box mag and detachable mag you swap around, eg howa's

Originally Posted by Squirrel

Has anyone asked or received advice on how they wish you to enter a bolt action rifle a where you have both box mag and detachable mag you swap around, eg howa's

Just my guess but I would tend to register with the largest capacity option

I assumed so too but will get an answer in writing as I'm not willing to take any chances. I'm trying my luck with their email address first for a request to add a missing calibre. Cheers!

Originally Posted by Squirrel

I assumed so too but will get an answer in writing as I'm not willing to take any chances. I'm trying my luck with their email address first for a request to add a missing calibre. Cheers!

If the email doesn't work the guys on the phone are bloody helpful. I have had a couple of interactions with them, its been positive both times with solutions reached



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Originally Posted by Squirrel

Has anyone asked or received advice on how they wish you to enter a bolt action rifle a where you have both box mag and detachable mag you swap around, eg howa's

The response I received from the authority is "answer yes to the detachable magazine question."

There was three minions from the Licencing organisation at the Ruahine Gun Show yesterday and none of them appeared to be even slightly busy registering firearms - or talking to the general public . I wasnt there for the whole day but ...

On the other hand , Nichole McKee was there and was busy in discussion with many many folk all the time .....

We've got 5 years to update our firearms right? I'll see you guys in 59 months.

Originally Posted by Timmay

We've got 5 years to update our firearms right? I'll see you guys in 59 months.

@Timmay , good to see your post

@Maca49 Thanks mate. Not on here much anymore, life got... Interesting for a while. Still getting back to normal 

its going to fail, just a question of when. hell they couldnt even keep the register of B,C and E cat firearms current and accurate

If they had the figures, they’d be all over them. But it builds fear.