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So have I before I started to reload my own, I've used a gun shop and people who advertise just such activity specificly in hunting magazines.Quote:
Originally Posted by CreepingDeath
I used to find most people who advertise load development will continue to reload for you.
Mind you I haven't looked for these ads for awhile, are they still about.
I have also given away my reloads when I have moved a rifle on, loads that have been taylored for that specific rifle.
Is this illegal?
The" reloading room " in ch ch is registered or certified reloader , I'll try find out more when I pick up my loads this week .
Ask to see proof Munsey. He says he is, yet I cant for the life of me find out where or who can licence you. I will happily get licenced if there is such a thing to cover the little I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsey
Have they got your rifle and test firing it as well Munsey?
I'm trying to find his card and reloading data sheet he supplies , to see the wording of the" certified" reloader. He has had my rifle ,this is a repeat prescription so to speak . Don't quote me on this but have done some homework and am told you have to be registered ( labour department ) just for the purpose of holding explosives , not reloading . But the amount of powder you hold for normal reloading is well under the threshold .Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
What I am actually getting at is those who get rid of a rifle then go and sell the reloads that were designed for that rifle to other people whos rifle that the reloaded ammo they just bought was not developed in that is what I have an issue with.
I was under the impression you could reload commercially if you had a dealers license?
When you collect your perscription can you ask where and how he was certified please??? Or if it is just under a gunsmithing thing. I have those credentials and if so I may be covered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsey
Thats worth investigating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken
Edit: Had a mans browse thru the act and could see nothing referring to dealers and reloading?
I beleive that if you dont follow or apply the arms code, they figure that you are not really fit and proper to have a licence as you dont follow general safety guidelines, the Police would probably look to revoke the firearms licence.
Its like storing ammunition, there is no specific offence relating to the security of the ammunition, but if you dont store it properly and safely, the Police will look to revoke the licence. I have seen it done to a couple of people.
I believe the manufacture of ammunition will be covered by the Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act 1996 (and associated ammendements in 2001, 2005, etc).
Arms Act and Arms Regulations do not cover the manufacture of ammunition, only the sale to licence holders or unlicenced people.
Rushy
I think the full quote deserves airing when it comes to reloading
"Rules are for the obedience of the inexperienced and the guidance of wise men." - Douglas Bader.
Got any confirmation on that BF? It would be good to find out how to become compliant, especially with all the butter wouldnt melt in their mouth types that are quick to point the finger around here:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Barefoot
No confirmation but I imagine an email to the EPA would get a yes or no. Ammo is considered hazard category 1.4S, safety ammunition.
Cool thanks BT
I know a guy that said he's getting licensed I'll ask what he means by licensed and what's involved etc
Awesome, thanks HH that will be easier than my blindly fishing thru the web.Quote:
Originally Posted by horihunter
NOONE can or will tell you what you need they keep referring you to someone else.
The old arms code used to say you needed a 'special licence' to sell reloaded ammo - however the Police had no idea of this 'special licence'
What I DO know, that you need a dealers licence to manufacture ammo (which is different from reloading - as the components are new)
You also have to comply with EPA, council zoning etc
This is where it gets messy, as depending on what and how much of what you have, certified approved handler licence, hazardous substance location and site test certificate, resource consent etc
We're now sorted for manufacture :cool:
So reloading some cartridges for a few mates will not justify getting all that or do you have to have a handler licence?
I spose 'technically' you should, however......Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
I will get something in writing from the police to cover my ass anyway. I have queried it with them and in several different areas and get the same answer. They dont know and cant see a problem unless it is a large commercial operation.
It will be covered under HSNO Dave. Fucked if Id even know where to start but it bet my left one you'll find something there. It will have changed when the Dangerous Goods Rules were taken over through HSNO. Im an approved handler for a bunch of chemicals and I'd be certain explosives would be in there too. Id also bet that there will be a threshold quantity you would require to require Approved Handler. Like 15+kg powder. This is typical for the likes of LPG and petrol so as to not make it an offence to fill your BBQ or lawnmower.
Spanners and KG may fall into this catergory but I doubt many of us other mere mortals would:thumbsup:
I remember reading too (I think on FnH) that it pays to advise your insurance co. If you have more than a few kgs of powder it can void your house insurance.
Cheers James I will try and find something. I have my DG for road and aviation up to certain classes. Mainly fuel.
I dont store or keep powder in the house so I am all good there.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. So please forgive my sausage fingers!!!
I was advised in 2002 to do 5 things concerning making ammo availiable for sale.
To keep impeccably detailed records, to get an approved handler license, to have nothing stored at home, to consult my insurance company on the legalaties concerning saleable ammunition manufacture, and to manufacture ammo away from urban residential areas.
I made sure that i complied.
Am happy to answer any PMs on the subject.
You were lucky it was only a .243, had it been a 'real' gun
Tongue in cheek remark Spook???????????????
Considering that the part comment was made about 10 days ago in a thread that since got side tracked, and your use of 15 ? marks I summise that it would not matter whether it was TIC or not. If there is a problem then I will move the comment to my WGAF filing system.Quote:
Originally Posted by walkabout
Allan Millers use to employ a reloader a few years ago Sid was his name ,got ammo off him know problems some of you folk a worse then old women.if you dont want reloads dont buy them .
What about Belmont.. they 'manufacture' ammo using new components, they also use processed once fired brass, thus making them 'reloads'
So if you give a 'reloader' new brass, they are now 'manufacturing' ammo, and if its put in a Blue cardboard ammo box like a factory one with a sticker on it, how do they differ from say Hornady, Highland, Remington, Blackhills etc other than they are using single stage or progressive gear rather than automated machines.
Blackhills load on Dillons IIRC.
Those that wont buy 'reloads' but will buy 'factory' ammo in a cardboard box with a sticker on it?
this may not be what people are looking for as part of this thread, but i've been looking at getting my 17 years NZDF experience as an Armourer recognised in the real world. As far as the manufacture of ammunion goes i've been told (by the head of the NZ society of Gunsmiths) that i need a dealers licence and it is reccomended that i obtain NZQA standard 9127 (Assemble ammunition using specialist equipment under supervision). the standard references the following acts
Arms Act 1983;
Arms Regulations 1992;
Hazardous Substances and New Organisms Act 1996;
Land Transport Act 1998
as stated at the start, not sure if this is what people are wanting but might be a starting place for people to get their skills recognised.
Hey LL speak with the people at NZQA and NZDF to see whether you can get some or all of you time as an armourer to qualify toward units as "recognition of prior learning"
I have an arms code in front of me which Im studying to get my licence. Page 26 is the only reference I can see doesnt say its not allowed, in fact that a page it implies its OK as long as you meet other laws/regulations. Things like you cannot store propelant powders (and I assume primer caps) in your house, that's easy I'll store them under my neighbours then....
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Seriously if you can point out an actual regulation/law as I cant find one. I looked at ERMA and smokeless powder doesnt need any further than you have to have a firearms licence.
Also a gun dealer in Wellington is selling reloaded ammo....he's full case resizing.
regards
Are you aware that the person that reloads the ammo is liable for any injury that may occur using it.
Its all about accountability.You sell your mate some of your reloads & he shoots himself in the foot with it.
Chris, liable for any injury, I odnt believe so. We have ACC, so as per say a car accident ACC pays for the personal injury. I am pretty sure its all encompassing, you cannot sue or claim off an individual. Now if you did something wrong you may well face a criminal charge say the person dies from injury, or say civil damage costs (the gun explodes) via say the CGA if nothing else.
I was talking to a guy at the range the other day who I know, who told me that earlier in the day a bloke had turned up with a rifle he'd just bought second hand & some reloads that came with it. He fired the first round off and the case head separated!! He asked Trev what he thought, and he suggested it might be a good idea to stop there!
Re: Powder I did come across a comment that a council has proposed a bylaw to make limit powder below Govn legislation (5kg and not 15kg I think it was). What worries me is that you think you are law abiding but unknown to you your friendly council says no. That also could have implications for your house / liability insurance....ie its voided as you were not obeying the [by-]law. Ikky to say the least when different organisations have different standards, limits and rules and of course ignorance of the law is no defence.
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That was Dunedin City Council.
@dogmatix, thanks. Yet apparantly 1 in 7 south islanders have a gun licence....that is some voting block to say no with.