Thread: Why frontline cops should be armed

Originally Posted by Savage1

Sure they are carried in the cars, but they're no good to you when they're locked in the car and a person has suddenly pulled a gun/bat/knife etc. You'd have to get back to the car and into the lock boxes without being run down and attacked first.

I am proud the NZ Police has remained unarmed for so long, but times have changed along with my insight into the situation.

Police can carry when they want, but they must be believe, and be able to justify, there is a risk of death or GBH first.

Why the fuck would you pull a gun on a guy with a bat?
This is the issue I have....

Originally Posted by Jexla

Why the fuck would you pull a gun on a guy with a bat?
This is the issue I have....

Cause getting hit in the head can kill you.
Spray doesn't always work and can take a few seconds to kick in to work.
Tasers work half the time.

Im sure if you were confronted with someone with a bat, your opinion might change. but you would call the police and leave and let them deal with it.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Why the fuck would you pull a gun on a guy with a bat?
This is the issue I have....

If you were cornered by a guy with a baseball bat, or being chased down the street by someone with a bat wouldn't you? Or would you go hand to hand and risk getting your skull caved in? Pepper spray didn't work (quite common especially with mental people), has a thick jacket or probes miss on TASER.

I'm guessing you've never had a guy seriously trying to hurt you before.

Originally Posted by Savage1

If you were cornered by a guy with a baseball bat, or being chased down the street by someone with a bat wouldn't you? Or would you go hand to hand and risk getting your skull caved in? Pepper spray didn't work (quite common especially with mental people), has a thick jacket or probes miss on TASER.

I'm guessing you've never had a guy seriously trying to hurt you before.

Like I said, unless you're out of options it's excessive.
I just don't want to see our police force turning into the US police force where they pull their gun out on anyone and everyone who doesn't "comply".

Originally Posted by Savage1

If you were cornered by a guy with a baseball bat, or being chased down the street by someone with a bat wouldn't you? Or would you go hand to hand and risk getting your skull caved in? Pepper spray didn't work (quite common especially with mental people), has a thick jacket or probes miss on TASER.

I'm guessing you've never had a guy seriously trying to hurt you before.

Steven Anderson in Waitara being a good example. Rep league player armed with bat and/or golf club while off his nut on drugs. No way I would want to try stop a fit gut with a bat with a taser at under 5 meters, that is a distance that can be closed VERY quickly

Originally Posted by Tommy

Steven Anderson in Waitara being a good example. Rep league player armed with bat and/or golf club while off his nut on drugs. No way I would want to try stop a fit gut with a bat with a taser at under 5 meters, that is a distance that can be closed VERY quickly

Agreed, tricky situation, but the fact the cop was put into that situation by himself was questionable in the first place wasn't it?

Not to mention he had his gun on him, so clearly the current plan works.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Agreed, tricky situation, but the fact the cop was put into that situation by himself was questionable in the first place wasn't it?

Not to mention he had his gun on him, so clearly the current plan works.

In that event, the cop returned to the Police station (they didn't have them in the cars then) and got a Glock from there and then went back to where Steven Wallace was and confronted him.
Prior to him shooting Wallace, he was attacking a Police car that a female cop was in. That's why he was shot. That's what I recall anyway.

I think the family is still trying to have the cop charged.

Steven Anderson was the guy who killed his family and spent time in a mental hospital and was released this year.

Originally Posted by jim160

In that event, the cop returned to the Police station (they didn't have them in the cars then) and got a Glock from there and then went back to where Steven Wallace was and confronted him.
Prior to him shooting Wallace, he was attacking a Police car that a female cop was in. That's why he was shot. That's what I recall anyway.

I think the family is still trying to have the cop charged.

Steven Anderson was the guy who killed his family and spent time in a mental hospital and was released this year.

In that case with the current plans the female cop could have shot him herself. They also could have had a go at tasering him now days.

Originally Posted by Jexla

In that case with the current plans the female cop could have shot him herself. They also could have had a go at tasering him now days.

And if the taser fails, which it probably would, then they are dead with one strike to the head.

Originally Posted by jim160

In that event, the cop returned to the Police station (they didn't have them in the cars then) and got a Glock from there and then went back to where Steven Wallace was and confronted him.
Prior to him shooting Wallace, he was attacking a Police car that a female cop was in. That's why he was shot. That's what I recall anyway.

I think the family is still trying to have the cop charged.

Steven Anderson was the guy who killed his family and spent time in a mental hospital and was released this year.

Yep wrong Steven. I believe there were three police that night, and the female was basically locked in the car.

It's ironic that his family are pushing for Mr Abbott to be convicted, seeing as they called police in the first place due to his behaviour

Originally Posted by Tommy

Yep wrong Steven. I believe there were three police that night, and the female was basically locked in the car.

It's ironic that his family are pushing for Mr Abbott to be convicted, seeing as they called police in the first place due to his behaviour

Yeah, I can understand the shooting, but it's not like you call the police expecting them to shoot your son.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Agreed, tricky situation, but the fact the cop was put into that situation by himself was questionable in the first place wasn't it?

Not to mention he had his gun on him, so clearly the current plan works.

No it isn't working

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