Thread: Why frontline cops should be armed

So is the police association ignoring the statistics, or saying they're wrong? There is obviously an inconsistency there one way or another.

Waitara was the correct outcome IMHO he was told to put it down and what happened left the correct guy alive. Where do these people get off? The law is the law! And don't blame drugs!
But a Glock? FFS

It's the number of staff getting assaulted and threatened with weapons, knives and guns.

It's not happy days out there anymore.

Originally Posted by Savage1

I think frontline cops should be taking a gun off for certain situations, not putting them on for certain situations.

That makes no sense. When would you ever take your gun off?

You're extremely bias, I must say. Maybe get your B cat and do some recreational shooting instead of feeling the need to do it at work.

Originally Posted by jim160

It's the number of staff getting assaulted and threatened with weapons, knives and guns.

It's not happy days out there anymore.

It never was.

Originally Posted by Jexla

That makes no sense. When would you ever take your gun off?

You're extremely bias, I must say. Maybe get your B cat and do some recreational shooting instead of feeling the need to do it at work.



It never was.

Maybe you would take it off for protests, large demonstrations and the like.

And are you speaking from your personal experience in the police about it not been happy days or from what you see on tv.

You missed every point I made Savage.

Yes of course there are not always numbers available but if numbers are limited why not take holstered firearms and tasers?
Firearms not available? Stop talking shit, we know firearms ARE available (in every vehicle in fact).
I said pulling a gun on someone with a baseball bat when you have other options is insane. At no point did I say NOR imply that having a holstered firearm is not acceptable. Stop reading what you want out of what I say.

You're right I bet they didn't know all of that information when they approached the address, which raises more questions, why not? Why would you not do a background check on someone who's house you have a warrant for for drugs?
Maybe there needs to be a process change when it comes to executing warrants, it's for your safety remember?

How could it not help? As I already explained, instead of having his car taken from him, he would have been riddled with bullets instead then lost his car. Also he got his dog out. Stop making more shit up.

It is NOT a different issue that isn't a problem in NZ, batons don't have the same effect as a gun to suspects and tasers record everything every time they're unholstered and a report has to be made, wouldn't be the same with a firearm.

Originally Posted by jim160

Maybe you would take it off for protests, large demonstrations and the like.

And are you speaking from your personal experience in the police about it not been happy days or from what you see on tv.

Same place as you are Jim.

Originally Posted by Savage1

This is exactly why they should be armed, what a f$%king embarrassment and display of incompetence due to not having immediate access to the correct tools.

Gun-wielding man threatens police in 'terrifying' standoff - National - NZ Herald News

I'm purely going off of the facts in the article. This is hardly the first time this has happened either.

I think frontline Police should be routinely armed, I don't really care if other people disagree or it makes some people uncomfortable, their lack of comfort doesn't make me any safer.

Mate I'm with you 100% on this one @Savage1.

Originally Posted by Jexla

You're fucking delusional if you think it's acceptable to point a firearm at someone with a bat unless you're absolutely out of options.

Wow I think you are the one that is delusional! You clearly do not understand what it is like to be placed in a hostile situation that is unfolding before you that may or may not end with paying the ultimate price.

If frontline cops are to be armed then a dead Auckland courier driver wants them to hit the correct target more often

No cop should go to work for his/her shift and go home in a coffin - full stop
Our society is changing and so are the threats they are facing. Give them the tools they need to ensure they go home each day.

I'm sure @Maca49 would like to see them armed with black powder pistols and long rifles

Arm the cops to the teeth. Put the fear into criminals and make it known there will be consequences for being a douchebag.

This argument of if cops are armed so should I is nonsense. You don't go to bed or work each day with the expectations of being in a fight and dealing with the lowest of the low.

In a situation where you may possibly draw a firearm on someone with say a bat, it's not about shooting the prick but scaring him into compliance.

Maybe you should take Jexla on a ride along so he can be educated.

As a side note, all the cops around the airport area (not just airside) are armed and it hasn't caused any escalation that I'm aware of?

A fairly healthy debate, although bordering on personal attack which is disappointing among forum members I generally respect. My two cents, I simply don't trust NZ Police to 'get it right' enough for me to endorse routine arming. I am sympathetic to cops and also to people in our society who are fearful. I'm not. I also am so highly anti-American gun slinging culture, that I'll fight against my precious country following their lead. Tasers are fine. When one of you said earlier on this thread that the probes might miss and the cop could be hit...I actually laughed out loud at the irony, as if a bullet missed, the cop could be hit...but, there's still the outrageously important question of where the fucking bullet went then?!! Seriously guys, if you hunters who know bullets pass through bodies and ricochet and miss and go fuck-knows-where beyond your target, why are you so adamant arming cops with sidearms is such a fabulous idea? I'm sorry to all cops, but if you don't want the risk, don't become a cop.


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Originally Posted by res

Completely agree they should be armed, the extra $ for the training etc just has to be found.
I would be upset if cops just started carrying guns on there hip as standard without extra training

I agree, and I think if we cancel the East Kaweka 1080 drop that should cover some of the training costs

Originally Posted by Boar Freak

I agree, and I think if we cancel the East Kaweka 1080 drop that should cover some of the training costs

Problem is that if you cancel the 1080 drop you still will have to spend the $ on possum control.

Personally I would suggest the $ we give to pacific island country's for language preservation could be used.

But even both together would not cover the cost of proper training, so we need to keep thinking

Need decent weight triggers on their glocks too, not the thousand pound one they have.