Thread: Why the FSA advice against using FAL as ID

I was advised by NZ Police detective handling the case against parties that had obtained a copy of my FAL from Quest on Hobson in Auckland when I stayed there for a work event in 2019.
They had produced a copy with my name, FAL number and modified year on DOB. Picture updated to reflect users ethnicity
& tattoos.
This was identified through seller of 4 rifles via T/me registering transfer and my response to FSA along the lines of “what 4 rifles did I pick up in Auckland?”
Fortunately the seller had kept good notes and pictures and could confirm appearance of purchaser, this was easily able to be shown that it wasn’t me (not on same island, seriously different appearance).
So, the register may have picked up one lot of criminal, but not strawbuyers.
Crims may have had access to ID printing equipment (this wasn’t a simple cut & paste job).

The ID was apparently part of a feast of copied ID from the same location.

I now have a new version of my FAL, but can still see issues- Trademe only needs the main FAL number…

Don’t give out your FAL as ID if you can avoid it, if you do, don’t let it leave you (maybe ok with police).

If you have ever stayed at Quest on Hobson in Auckland, check your records.

Don’t trust anyone.

First crim was convicted last week, wonder why the media didn’t say anything?

Originally Posted by Scouterkotare

First crim was convicted last week, wonder why the media didn’t say anything?

Silence from Cahill too?

Ive never come across any place that will accept a fal for id anyway

Crims have been doing it with passports for a long time so a fal wouldnt be too hard

Quest has always had that sort of reputation

Quest has always had that sort of reputation

I wonder how many details got out of the old closed police station rubbish bin they forgot

Mine did ......

Used my FAL as photo ID the other day, mainly because it was the first card in my wallet, the bloke got all weird with it, clearly firearms weren’t his thing

many years ago i tried using my FAL as
ID to buy coldrex with pseudo in it. (was only a really small pack too)
chemist wouldnt accept it despite it being police issued

Pubs don’t (didn’t?) accept them as ID, only accepting 18+, drivers license and passport as ID.

I have used the FAL several times, people get a little stupid about ID and what they will "accept" but there are many forms of photo ID that satisfy the requirements. Govt issued professional body cards like Social Worker Registration Board, Education Board, Health Board and the PSPLA card are all among the many others that can be used.

I did have a bit of a discussion with one outfit where the person wanted 2 forms of ID and what I had on me was DL and FAL, they didn't want the FAL but asked if I had a student ID or a company photo ID. I pointed out rather bluntly that those other forms of photo ID where useless - any clown could slap a fake company logo on a piece of plastic with a photo on it and call it good. They had to concede that the FAL issued by the Police was the more reliable ID...

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Pubs don’t (didn’t?) accept them as ID, only accepting 18+, drivers license and passport as ID.

I've used it before at pubs. I didn't have a drivers license or current passport and there were no 18+ cards back then. It was a different time so a FAL wasn't as shunned as it may be now.

Originally Posted by No good names left

I've used it before at pubs. I didn't have a drivers license or current passport and there were no 18+ cards back then. It was a different time so a FAL wasn't as shunned as it may be now.

Not shunded but its law to be passport, r18 card(now called access card) nz drivers licence for tobacco and alcohol, and I would assume restricted pharmacy meds

This is to make it easier for the person checking the id to know the ID form are looking at.

Cant take overseas DL, student id, army id ect
these are the most common ones we see that we cant accept