Thread: Wtf

Originally Posted by kotuku

expoh-hmmmy es like yourself im a psych nurse(43yrs) and i agree with your POV.my only comment on this whole thing is why this bloke makes an unequivocal statement about not going near firearms ever again ,then oops i forgot to mention Im intending to reapply for my FAL????????HYPOCRISYand self entitlement. its a little like career crims whose lawyers tell the court about their letters of remorse etc etc .its blatantly obvious is a cover my own arse shorten my sentence tactic.I often hear em laughing about it on the shop floor.
anyone who like my colleague and I has worked in institutions(me Im in the forensic psychiatric field) sees the human psyche unadorned and often at it very worstand often there are no answers ,apart from DEATH(which if you actually think about it is the ultimate answer to all lifes problems)
Now sidney before you jump on me ,and seeing as you appear clued up ,google Dr Ceri Evans -hes very well written on the psyche of criminals,the function of psyche in realtion to crime ,and the functioning of the psyche in relation to the after effects of crime. Ceri is my boss.

Firstly I am no expert in the area of mental health, nor do I have an in depth understanding of what is required for the individual to achieve reconciliation. But I have some concerns with the ideas expressed because they tend to confuse individual desires and expectations, with the big picture issues and how they will affect society as a whole.

I appreciate the point made about an victims journey, a feeling that the outcome is equitable may help with the process of personal reconciliation... but my concern is that a victims perception of equity is often not consistent with the laws interpretation, nor with the community societal view and expectation.

If our goal is an equitable society we cannot compromise the dispassionate application of the law, by a court system that is independent of political pressure and the understandable emotional response of victims.

That being said, there is definitely a place for the offender to be confronted by the trauma caused, and that may provide assistance to all parties to deal with the ongoing issues of coming to terms with what has happened.

Originally Posted by Sidney

but my concern is that a victims perception of equity is often not consistent with the laws interpretation, nor with the community societal view and expectation.

However there is a growing wave of feeling that the laws interpretation is way out of step with every other parties expectation, ... including offenders. Sure they plea for as low a sentence as possible as that is even how our economy runs; maximize profits and minimise losses (well the bit of the economy excluding governments that seem to go for the opposite). You could say that they feel the sentences are too low by the fact that they are not already dissuaded from their career path.

That being said, there is definitely a place for the offender to be confronted by the trauma caused, and that may provide assistance to all parties to deal with the ongoing issues of coming to terms with what has happened.

That really only works if they truly are remorseful. Many have shown utter disdain for their victims family, who are in themselves victims.

Gagetman

Again, we apparently have the lowest rate of serious offending for 15 years and the fullest prisons. I would suggest that public perception is most likely inaccurate.

Deterence is a very subjective area and is not well understood by anybody, let alone the average poorly trained & environmentally challenged, under 25 yr old offender, with low empathy, and non complete frontal lobe development..... it doesn't occur to them that they might get caught, let alone how serious the sentence might be.

Confrontation of the damage caused is part of accountability, but you are correct, further damage to the victims is not appropriate and strict criteria for both parties has to be evident before any benefit can result...

Originally Posted by Sidney

Deterence is a very subjective area and is not well understood by anybody, let alone the average poorly trained & environmentally challenged, under 25 yr old offender, with low empathy, and non complete frontal lobe development..... it doesn't occur to them that they might get caught, let alone how serious the sentence might be....

Yes! This exact thing! That's what I was trying to say...

There is absolutely no way that prison in Wellington anyway is a deterrence to offenders. Why do you think I can spell so many tricky names correctly? Repetition. This also has me believe that prison isn't a punishment either.

For police anyway, the Bail Oppositions I've seen are all about public and victim safety, not "lock him up because he's an asshole and he did bad stuff"



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