Thread: Wtf

Pretty sure the most obvious one that I have already suggested is a reduction in imprisonment rates...

For every 100K pa prisoner, that could fund a case manager who could handle 20-50 cases pa, for home based detention/programs involving direct accountability and restitution programs for suitable cases, which at least would provide a possibility of less lifestyle based training that results from incarceration..... not just home D without obligation....

Reduction in alcohol availability for under 20's... a large percentage of crime is alcohol fueled...

Support based case managers for every family with dependants for those we imprison. Co-ordination with organisations like Pillars to achieve this... Leaving those families with the state and the authorities as enemies simply breeds another generation of criminals.

I am not sure that you have offered any options at all.... tougher sentencing isn't an option.... its an admission of failure.. it only addresses prevention of crime for that offender. That approach multiplies the problem in the long term.

There is plenty of information about options available and plenty of work that has been done to make positive steps to addressing the issue... the ministry of justice has some previously focused Drivers Of Crime approaches that seem to have stalled... Rethinking Crime and Punishment - Rethinking Crime and Punishment has plenty of information..

Kotutu is obviously working in programs designed to address these issues. So is Gadget by the sounds of it.

“By 30 years of age a huge percentage of offenders will stop offending. 40% of prisoners serve terms of less than 6 months; 85% will be out in under 2 years; 5-7% should never come out, will never change – the public thinks this figure is more like 40%.” - Kim Workman

If this is the reality, we would be making efforts to keep offenders out of prison - they will grow out of offending if we don't keep putting them back into the training institutions.

There is plenty of information out there...

Originally Posted by Sidney

Pretty sure the most obvious one that I have already suggested is a reduction in imprisonment rates...

For every 100K pa prisoner, that could fund a case manager who could handle 20-50 cases pa, for home based detention/programs involving direct accountability and restitution programs for suitable cases, which at least would provide a possibility of less lifestyle based training that results from incarceration..... not just home D without obligation....

Reduction in alcohol availability for under 20's... a large percentage of crime is alcohol fueled...

Support based case managers for every family with dependants for those we imprison. Co-ordination with organisations like Pillars to achieve this... Leaving those families with the state and the authorities as enemies simply breeds another generation of criminals.

I am not sure that you have offered any options at all.... tougher sentencing isn't an option.... its an admission of failure.. it only addresses prevention of crime for that offender. That approach multiplies the problem in the long term.

There is plenty of information about options available and plenty of work that has been done to make positive steps to addressing the issue... the ministry of justice has some previously focused Drivers Of Crime approaches that seem to have stalled... Rethinking Crime and Punishment - Rethinking Crime and Punishment has plenty of information..

Kotutu is obviously working in programs designed to address these issues. So is Gadget by the sounds of it.



If this is the reality, we would be making efforts to keep offenders out of prison - they will grow out of offending if we don't keep putting them back into the training institutions.

There is plenty of information out there...

I agree totally with the vast majority of that.

My only issues are minor:

Prison is not the only training ground. There is more training, particularly hands on practical, available outside of prison.

There is still room for increases sentences for SOME recidivists. Like the guy that was constantly getting caught drunk driving, killed people on a couple of occasions and was still doing the same thing. I believe he had been on numerous retraining schemes. For everyone's safety the likes of this case should be put away for a very long time.

And of course I'd add the one I've been proposing all along, sort out the economy so that there is no need for so many to turn to crime for survival. "Idle hands, ...". If you look at the places with lower crime rates it tends to be those with lower unemployment rates and often greater state input, such as the Scandinavian countries.