Thread: Yet another shooting incident in the states

Seems to me,that with the world wide "beat up" by media and the negative light that they try to portray Gun owners and shooters in we should be hoping the NRA and pro gun lobbies in the States are successful in there resistance to the Obama admins proposed changes,because any changes or restrictions imposed there also have the potential to effect us down here.
Yes we have a good system here in NZ but lets not kid ourselves that there's still a liberal left wing element in NZ that would love to see our laws even more tightened up,Phillip Alpers and co would be rubbing there hands together in glee at the thought of changes in the US mandated by the UN and would relish the though of implementing more of them here.Therefore i support the NRA in the states in resisting any proposed changes World wide its a slippery slope.Besides they wouldn't make one iota of difference apart from restricting and persecuting legit gun owners the crims will still have as much fire-power as they have always had....look at the gun crime in Aussie if you want examples of that .Below is a link to ponder ,Its not just ARs that are in there sights its clearly all guns.
Philip Alpers demonises legal firearms

It was reportedly gang related, likely using an illegal .25ACP Jennings pocket gun piece of shit or similar, and has dropped out of the US news cycle already

Originally Posted by Tussock

Meanwhile my pro gun news feed has 888 stories of little old ladies shooting home invaders and such.

Given we live in a country where if you come home and find your door kicked in the police will not come around, even if your not sure if they intruders have left, maybe we should be getting concealed carry instead of gun restriction.

The above happened to my mother in law twice.

If concealed carry saves JUST ONE LIFE is it not worth it?

Absolutely 100% plus one to that.

It would certainly make the mobs of pre pubesent boys(and girls) think twice about beating the shit out someone for fun and the change in his wallet.

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Just saw the clip on the news , straight away you can see the ape with the hand gun has had no formal firearm or military training , hence no deaths

I'm yet to hear a compelling argument against CCW. Everything I hear is cry baby emotional shit.

How about

-Most people couldn't hit the side of a barn with a pistol in an aggressive situation
-Wouldn't pepperspray be better as it can be used in more situations?
-You would open up a shit load of pistols to be carried in the public bringing about the oppurtunity for them to fall into the wrong hands.
-People will have them used against themselves.
-Situations will escalate out of control very quickly, a bar fight could easily turn into a shooting.
-We would end up in a mess like America.

All so people might be able to use one in the extremely rare situation that deadly force is needed

All of the people I have met that want to conceal carry just want to to make themselves feel better and wouldn't even bother carrying pepperspray if they could, says a lot to me.

I would fight tooth and nail to stop CCW, and I have a much better idea than most about the dangers out there.

Originally Posted by Savage1

How about

-Most people couldn't hit the side of a barn with a pistol in an aggressive situation
-Wouldn't pepperspray be better as it can be used in more situations?
-You would open up a shit load of pistols to be carried in the public bringing about the oppurtunity for them to fall into the wrong hands.
-People will have them used against themselves.
-Situations will escalate out of control very quickly, a bar fight could easily turn into a shooting.
-We would end up in a mess like America.

All so people might be able to use one in the extremely rare situation that deadly force is needed

All of the people I have met that want to conceal carry just want to to make themselves feel better and wouldn't even bother carrying pepperspray if they could, says a lot to me.

I would fight tooth and nail to stop CCW, and I have a much better idea than most about the dangers out there.

Again emotive shit. You assume that the people that would CCW wouldn't get training, I believe CCW covers everything; knives, torches, tasers, mace, guns etc

Pepperspray can blowback on the user, not totally effective, have to get it in the eyes (cool he's wearing glasses), fucked if it's windy, still requires training to be effective, etc

CCW ought to be allowed with required training courses etc


It's generally illegal to CCW in "places that serve alcohol" I believe is the wording in the US

"used against themselves" is pretty hilarious. I've never seen an actual example of that when it's a CCW gun


We'd need totally different social and economic conditions to end up "in a mess like America" ie a bunch of poor black people shooting each other over crack, massive inequality, etc

Mace is the best I can think of for civilian as it gives opportunity for escape and can be used at a very low level, TASER you still need to deal with them once the 5 seconds is up and is easy to miss, your an idiot if you pull a knife to protect yourself but at least there is minimal collateral damage unlike a firearm.

You call those arguments emotive shit because you don't agree with them, doesn't make them so.

Training is great but most people have no idea how they will act when they get an adrenaline dump, so unless they have quality training a lot or are in high stress situations often then it will be for nothing.

Do you do martial arts training on a weekly basis so you can protect yourself? If not then you obviously can't be too worried.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Do you do martial arts training on a weekly basis so you can protect yourself? If not then you obviously can't be too worried.

I do it, but not to defend myself. I'm an amateur Muay Thai fighter and train BJJ as well. No fucking way would I want to rely on it to defend myself, too much chance of getting my head kicked in or stabbed etc.

The only effective method of self defence is something that
-immediately totally incapacitates a threat
-allows use from some amount of range

Originally Posted by gimp

I do it, but not to defend myself. I'm an amateur Muay Thai fighter and train BJJ as well. No fucking way would I want to rely on it to defend myself, too much chance of getting my head kicked in or stabbed etc.

The only effective method of self defence is something that
-immediately totally incapacitates a threat
-allows use from some amount of range

Yes but you're talking deadly force, how often is deadly force needed by the average, sober citizen?

That's where TASERS are great because they incapacitate far quicker than a firearm but they are one shot and need to follow up quick.

Originally Posted by gimp

The only effective method of self defence is something that
-immediately totally incapacitates a threat
-allows use from some amount of range

Gimp, take it from someone with a bit of real world experience, ok ?

Pistols DO NOT "immediately totally incapacitate a threat". I don't know if you've ever seen a person being shot. The very rarely stop dead.

The average person (police or civilian) when faced with an imminent deadly attack, is so hyped on fear/adrenaline that they can barely shoot straight. Add to that the type of ammunition being used, the caliber, and the "chemical state" of the person being shot, it's a completely different picture.

Originally Posted by ebf

Gimp, take it from someone with a bit of real world experience, ok ?

Pistols DO NOT "immediately totally incapacitate a threat". I don't know if you've ever seen a person being shot. The very rarely stop dead.

The average person (police or civilian) when faced with an imminent deadly attack, is so hyped on fear/adrenaline that they can barely shoot straight. Add to that the type of ammunition being used, the caliber, and the "chemical state" of the person being shot, it's a completely different picture.

Of course, but more effectively so than anything else.

Originally Posted by ebf

Gimp, take it from someone with a bit of real world experience, ok ?

Pistols DO NOT "immediately totally incapacitate a threat". I don't know if you've ever seen a person being shot. The very rarely stop dead.

The average person (police or civilian) when faced with an imminent deadly attack, is so hyped on fear/adrenaline that they can barely shoot straight. Add to that the type of ammunition being used, the caliber, and the "chemical state" of the person being shot, it's a completely different picture.

Yea pistols actually suck shit at stopping. Can't really CCW a rifle though.