Thread: 20g lead ban ?

Has this been put to bed or is it still . I'm replacing my shotgun and am in two minds wether to get a 20g as most my shooting is on easy ponds and uplands . Lead will be my issue and I've never followed where this is heading . Any be kind as to fill me in

I, for one have never understood how the lead fired from a 20 gauge differs from the lead fired from a 12 gauge...I really would like someone to enlighten me.

heres it in a nutshell
4% of shooters use sub gauges. (under 12g)
southland fish and gayme wanted to restrict these 4% and make them suffer the poor performance of steel just like everyone else.
they kicked a hornets nest and had their arse handed to them by the local members who are sick to death of do gooders who think they are doing the rite thing by self inflicting restrictions on law abiding shooters in an attempt to appease the anti gunners (anti everyfuckingthingers) . (who will only stop when ALL shooting is banned full stop, but thats another subject)
so they have continued on their campaign (fuck knows why?) by submitting their recommendations to the national body in an attempt to get them to impose these restrictions.
short story long, if the current sitting members dont get told where to go next elections i suppose we deserve everything we get......
greg

And if I remember correctly greghud the national body vetoed it. So the lead ban in sub gauges is dead in the water at this stage.

YAY go 16 gauge.
I only hope those concerned way down South are voted off!!
END OF STORY.
Greghud, good version of events.

i doubt it gadg,as we know the mooters of the proposal wont generally take NO for an answer so i'd suspect its still bubbling away quietly on the edge of the fire awaiting a reintroduction if opportunity presents.

Originally Posted by kotuku

i doubt it gadg,as we know the mooters of the proposal wont generally take NO for an answer so i'd suspect its still bubbling away quietly on the edge of the fire awaiting a reintroduction if opportunity presents.

I agree, that's why I said at this stage. Hopefully this provokes local action at election time.

This rule seriously confuses the general public, it seems absolutely ridiculous that you can use lead in all sub gauges but not in 12....

go buy some steel shot for your 16, 20, 28 and 32 gauge, and grab a box of steel for the kids 410. then you will see the lack of confusion. ya cant get it. and because there is only a very small proportion of shooters using them (4% are sub gauges) there really is no point. also steel is bloody useless in a 12g can you imagine the performance out of a sub gauge?
greg

Originally Posted by greghud

go buy some steel shot for your 16, 20, 28 and 32 gauge, and grab a box of steel for the kids 410. then you will see the lack of confusion. ya cant get it. and because there is only a very small proportion of shooters using them (4% are sub gauges) there really is no point. also steel is bloody useless in a 12g can you imagine the performance out of a sub gauge?
greg

Pretty sure there is steel for a 20g, think NZhunter done a write up on using it a few years ago. iirc it was Kent

im not disagreeing, just stating a fact that the rule is ridiculous in a logical sense

PerazziSC3, another day, different post!!! I agree it is confusing, but being biased the owner of 3 16 gauges I'd fight for the status quo.
I'm suprised that it is only 4% with sub guages, in the two groups I'm lucky enough to shoot in there is always 2/4 sub gauges.
The way retailers are speaking you would think that 20 Ga. has taken over, obviously not so.
I suppose if they ban subbies totally I'll have to trade in the old 1187 and buy a 3 1/2 " Benelli, and start throwing steel all over the place.
Leave well alone I say!!

I love my 16 ga Merkel for ducks so I hope I never see 16 ga steel for sale. It was made long before someone dreamed up the idea of shooting steel out of a shotgun. It does give the rangers a rush of blood when they ask if we are all using steel and I reply no with a blank look on my face.

Originally Posted by john m

I love my 16 ga Merkel for ducks so I hope I never see 16 ga steel for sale. It was made long before someone dreamed up the idea of shooting steel out of a shotgun. It does give the rangers a rush of blood when they ask if we are all using steel and I reply no with a blank look on my face.

So, how do the ducks know that the lead from your 16 or my grandsons 20 is safe to ingest, because isn't it ducks picking up the lead from the bottom of waterways what it is all about...and isn't there something about the width of the waterway that comes into it...all very confusing.

Originally Posted by Spook

So, how do the ducks know that the lead from your 16 or my grandsons 20 is safe to ingest, because isn't it ducks picking up the lead from the bottom of waterways what it is all about...and isn't there something about the width of the waterway that comes into it...all very confusing.

The only lead that makes it into our pond would be from me having to finish off wounded birds as a result of steels ineffective killing power... Otherwise it lands probably 100m away from the pond (the stuff that isn't caught by the bird that is...). Out of the 40 ish shooters on ponds nearby that I know of, only one other shoots sub gauge. And that was only a result of witnessing the difference of killing power between the 3 inch steel hyper velocity ammo he was using and standard 20g 2 3/4 lead I was using. I now use 3" 1 1/8oz shells, the difference is more pronounced now.

I see in the 2014 printed Fish and Game regulations that there is a paragraph about banning of lead in sub gauges in Southland to be in force by 2017. "after careful consideration of submissions" was mentioned (they are obviously blind and deaf!) which is laughable. They were obviously pretty confident that it was going through when drafting the regulations for 2014. Luckily they have been set straight (for the time being)...