Thread: 20ga or 410 for beginners?

its been said for years,loading a .20ga up to magnum levels till its poking out .12ga payload will up recoil...an once of #5s in lead always killed well,a similar load of steel will be just as good,no need to push big payload and punish yourself with recoil..I know of quite a few shooters who have dropped back to 2 3/4" in .12 ga as they found they dont need the extra the 3 or 3 1/2" to kill majority of birds.