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I have a couple of antique shotguns and i want to know if anyone can give me some info on them?
They're Lyon and Lyon brand. Fully engraved. I have a his and hers pair. 12 and 20 gauge. 20 gauge is pretty much rooted but 12 is not too bad just a bit of pitting. Anyone have any history on these? cheers. Will post pics soon
@gundoc
Im sure someone was able to answer questions on another older shotgun....
If they're really clapped out and ancient then call @Maca49 :)
I just shot the 12 gauge and it didn't blow up in my face which is a bonus. Pretty keen to use the 12 gauge for birds/bunnies.
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Originally Posted by Maca49
Lyon & Lyon was a large retail outlet in India during the British Raj. I believe they had stores in Calcutta and Bombay and possibly elsewhere. They never manufactured anything but had guns made for them by various English gunmakers, from everyday grade up to the very best London guns. Photos and close-ups of proof marks etc. are needed for proper identification.
I hope that you know about Damsacus barrels on shotguns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trist323
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You provide little information on what you have but if shooting what you have, establish what you have BEFORE shooting it with modern day cartridges.
try ringing Giles Stanford Taihape Sports he told me his passion is old shotguns he might be able to enlighten you as to what you have
Awesome cheers guys. I will post pics today after work. I took it to a gunsmith up here who said it would be safe to shoot with light lead loads which i did yesterday. However he was unsure of the history. Def not damascus barrels.
Proof marks as in serial numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by mimms2
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Originally Posted by mimms2
"Wall hangers"? Ah lovely descriptive "old Terminology" encountered in the past. To me, wall hangers imply a replica or a firearm so ancient that it is incapable of discharging projectiles, 'HANGING ON A WALL.Quote:
Originally Posted by muzza
Although commonly found hanging on racks and over mantle pieces stc in the past, if the OP has fired shot from his, then surely it cannot legally NOW, just be hung on the wall on display as that will be well and truly unacceptable from Constable Plod's perspective of "secure storage:
I may be wrong, but doesn't Plod now even reject rifle racks as unsuitable for dwellings so a more correct term, meeting with today's restrictive legislation would be cabinet lurker?
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Under the barrels it has 12 stamped on them and on the flats it has the number 73729
Has crowns with the letters BV bp and NP. Also say Nitro proof?
Looks like damascus steel bbl to me. Dont fire it.
True? Gunsmith said it isn't a damascus. Maybe i need to find a shottie guru
The photo isn't that good but it's not Damascus. Some plain steel barrels were patterned to look like it but they are quite easy to spot. Nitro proof is also a give away. The only uestion really is chamber length.
If bbls are significantly pitted the NP stamp isnt worth a damn.
It definitely has some pitting in it. Gunsmith i showed said it should be ok to shoot light lead loads through. He said nothing heavier than 28gr but i'd def like a second opinion and maybe a valuation of sorts
That gun was made by the Midland Gun Company in Birmingham, a large factory that produced guns in various grades for trade clients with their own names on them. That gun is an example of their plainest d/b hammer gun and would have sold for about 4 Pounds Sterling in 1930. Similar guns were sold in NZ with names like NZ Farmers Co-Op, E Reece & Co, Colonial Ammunition Company, etc. etc. Midland went out of business in the late 1930's. Current NZ value in its present condition is about $100 on a good day. Not very wise to shoot it!
@gundoc cheers for that info. Wall hanger it is. Cheers everyone for your input
Cheers @mimms2 i'll def get a 2nd opinion
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My favorite waterfowl shotgun, steel barrels 65mm chambers with 1 oz of bismuth at 1100 fps at about 1/2 of SAMI max pressure. This one happens to be a Husquvarna. If they still lock up tight and aren't pitted too bad it should work fine with low pressure loads. I wouldn't be afraid of a Damascus barreled shotgun if it were in good condition, many fine old English Damascus barreled shotgun go through the proof houses every year and are reproofed for smokeless loads.
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