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    I took a gamble

    I was offered a chance to buy a gun unseen.A family had put there old dad into care and did not want his guns, two were taken by friends.The other was in a locked case. They said it was a rifle that he broke when he bashed a cow on the head with it and it had been in the case for 20 years as the key had been lost.
    I opened the case and it was broke but not a rifle (bugger) a 12 ga 2.5 inch by FJ Cole ??
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    It's now back together, the barrels look damascus under the blueing. Has anyone got info on this gun or its maker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john m View Post
    Says Nitro Proof on the chambers, so can't be Damascus I'm thinking?

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    Quick search found this:

    http://hodgesgunmakers.yolasite.com/...un-gallery.php

    Which lead to this:

    Gun Making | AGL | Atkin, Grant & Lang

    Maybe you could drop them a mail and see if they know anything about it?

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    Interesting that the gun was retailed in cirencester.There were alot of kiwis stationed there during the war.
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    Nitro proofed Damascus barrels were fairly common in the early 1900's. This is yet another example of the products of the Midland Gun Company of Birmingham, mid-range quality boxlock, sold to dealers in small batches with their name engraved. This appears to be their 'Triumph' model (catalogue No. 8651) which was offered in 2-1/2", 2-3/4", and 3" chambers. It is listed in 1937 as having steel barrels but the earlier ones had the Damascus option. A small acid test on the barrels under the fore-end area will soon show the pattern if it is true Damascus.
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    Thanks gundoc what acid to use ?
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    Degrease a small area (about 10mm square) on the curved barrel just in front of the flats and sparingly apply any common acid (battery acid is good) with a cotton bud, allow to dry for a couple of hours and rub with steel wool. If you can see the pattern faintly then it is Damascus, smooth gray surface means steel. Remove all traces of acid with a wet cloth, dry and oil.
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    Nice looking gun. As for the gunsmith, I don't think you will ever find that out as I suspect it is one of the many produced by many gunsmiths for retailers to sell, not end users. A common practice of the day. It is above the usual work day weapon as the finish and case shows but not up to Purdey etc.

    There is a strange anomaly about 171 Cricklade Street St Cirencester. The street is actually currently located in a locality named Poulton outside of Cirencester., which coincidentally is enroute to the RAF Airbase at Fairford. This base was not established until 1930 a link.

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    The named owner on tha gun's case is Flight Lieutenant H W Hancock is an airman. I did a search on a RAF officer site

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    but found nothing for Flt Lt H W Hancock, It could be H M Hancock? Note that the site owner invites email enquirers and it is possible that Hancock was in the RAf during WW 1 which would explain why no trace at this WW 2 site .

    My guess is that Flt Lt Hancock purchased the unbranded gun from a retailer, possibly in Cirencester and had it engraved with his rural address address and the case with his rank and name and was at one time based at RAF Fairford. I SERIOUSLY doubt that either the retailer or the gunsmith were working out of 171 Cricklade Street.

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    ......and what happened to the cow??
    RIP Harry F. 29/04/20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Headroom View Post
    ......and what happened to the cow??
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    This gun was made and proved in the 1896 - 1904 period, and would clearly have been second-hand when purchased by Flt Lt Hancock. There was obviously no airfield near Cricklade Street in 1904.
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    Wow what a story is developing and it is damascus.
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    F J Cole must have been some sort of general store as I have found that they had 'The Champion' 12 ga. Eley cartridges loaded with their name (F J Cole, Cirencester) printed on them, and they also did picture framing. 171 Cricklade Street is a corner site in the middle of Cirencester, and several various businesses have been there over the years.
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    I'm glad it came my way. The family were going to toss it untill they found an idiot to give them $200 for a broken gun in an old box. The case is next on the to do list.
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