Thread: Shotgun Slugs

Can I use the Star crimp or do I have to roll crimp with the Lee slugs or Lyman slugs? I was thinking of using Vectan A1 powder, 1oz Lee Slugs, Winchester 209 primers & winchester wad like aa12, in Winchester compression formed hulls. You guys have any thoughts on this?

@Tertle

Originally Posted by Bob Da Browning

Can I use the Star crimp or do I have to roll crimp with the Lee slugs or Lyman slugs? I was thinking of using Vectan A1 powder, 1oz Lee Slugs, Winchester 209 primers & winchester wad like aa12, in Winchester compression formed hulls. You guys have any thoughts on this?

I've been star crimping those slugs for years without a problem. Use AP70N and both WAA 12SL or WAA 12F114 wads.

Originally Posted by outlander

I've been star crimping those slugs for years without a problem. Use AP70N and both WAA 12SL or WAA 12F114 wads.

@Bob Da Browning i too have followed the path as outlined above and it has served me very well, ive also gone and purchased roll crimping and hull conditioning spinny go round things, welcome to the affliction

Originally Posted by outlander

I've been star crimping those slugs for years without a problem. Use AP70N and both WAA 12SL or WAA 12F114 wads.

@outlander Reassuring........As I have the Lyman 525 grain slugs, WAA12 wads and APN70 N, I would appreciate you telling your AP70N load, (grams/ grains / ounces) , as I was going to start from scratch, reinvent the wheel with 23 grains working upwards, ( which I suspect would involve a few "starts") so your end point weight and observation on effective range would be greatly appreciated.
Ta ever so.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

I roll crimp mine partly because I have gadget for rolling them. But mainly so they are easy to identify. Letting a slug go that you thought was shot could have drastic results.

That’s actually a really good point, load ID, the gadget I eventually purchased was a ballistic products roll crimper, I later tinkered with plastic shot over cards which I used with my buckshot loads, again using apn 70 and the WAA shotgun wads, I had / have 1000’s of win shotgun hulls and eventually I used different coloured hulls if I was star crimping. I even created reduced length rounds with very pleasing results! I will send you some info via PM that may help

Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper

@outlander Reassuring........As I have the Lyman 525 grain slugs, WAA12 wads and APN70 N, I would appreciate you telling your AP70N load, (grams/ grains / ounces) , as I was going to start from scratch, reinvent the wheel with 23 grains working upwards, ( which I suspect would involve a few "starts") so your end point weight and observation on effective range would be greatly appreciated.
Ta ever so.

Sure. Through my el cheapo Gun City 18" pump cylinder bore riot gun, the 525 gr Lyman slugs leave the barrel @ 1050 fps avg. with 23.5 gr of AP70N. With 24 gr AP70N they go 1100 fps avg. You can expect another 100-150 fps through a 26"/28" barrel with a full choke.

Originally Posted by outlander

Sure. Through my el cheapo Gun City 18" pump cylinder bore riot gun, the 525 gr Lyman slugs leave the barrel @ 1050 fps avg. with 23.5 gr of AP70N. With 24 gr AP70N they go 1100 fps avg. You can expect another 100-150 fps through a 26"/28" barrel with a full choke.

Forgot to mention that I also use WA12 F114 wads with a home made under shot card.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

I roll crimp mine partly because I have gadget for rolling them. But mainly so they are easy to identify. Letting a slug go that you thought was shot could have drastic results.

I’ve known that to happen with ‘waxed’ loads that had no distinguishing marking.

Originally Posted by outlander

Sure. Through my el cheapo Gun City 18" pump cylinder bore riot gun, the 525 gr Lyman slugs leave the barrel @ 1050 fps avg. with 23.5 gr of AP70N. With 24 gr AP70N they go 1100 fps avg. You can expect another 100-150 fps through a 26"/28" barrel with a full choke.

My thanks @outlander for you information. I shall stick with the WAA12 wads as they are a nice fit for the slug and I have i i/2 bags of them :>)
Surprised that I wasn't too far off with my starting figure of 23 grains..

They will be fired from a 20 inch barrel and as I am interested in the effective range can you give an opinion on that? Effective IMHO being up to 6 inches off the bull.......or is that the best I can expect.

I ask 'cos this week I found I grouped 4 of 5, 6 inches off @ 50 metres and that I consider being 'cos I had only set up the red spot sight using a Nikko Stirling Bore Sight Kit to "get onto paper".

So, a comment on effective range would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You.

Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper

My thanks @outlander for you information. I shall stick with the WAA12 wads as they are a nice fit for the slug and I have i i/2 bags of them :>)
Surprised that I wasn't too far off with my starting figure of 23 grains..

They will be fired from a 20 inch barrel and as I am interested in the effective range can you give an opinion on that? Effective IMHO being up to 6 inches off the bull.......or is that the best I can expect.

I ask 'cos this week I found I grouped 4 of 5, 6 inches off @ 50 metres and that I consider being 'cos I had only set up the red spot sight using a Nikko Stirling Bore Sight Kit to "get onto paper".

So, a comment on effective range would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You.

My pump has ghost ring sights and in my experience with the Lyman slugs, 5" off bull @ 50 metres, would make me very happy. I also find that the Lyman slug is the least accurate of the three. Lee 1oz and the round ball always is better.

Some time ago I hunted wild bulls in tiger country that were tagged as possibly spreading TB. Tight country with the odd 50-75m window for a shot. My goodness I never felt undergunned with a pump loaded with roll your own slugs

Originally Posted by XR500

Some time ago I hunted wild bulls in tiger country that were tagged as possibly spreading TB. Tight country with the odd 50-75m window for a shot. My goodness I never felt undergunned with a pump loaded with roll your own slugs

With roughly three times the energy of a .44 mag, I can imagine. Can you recall which slug it was that you used?

Looong time ago, but the one with the rifling cast into it if I recall correctly. Round nose

Originally Posted by XR500

Looong time ago, but the one with the rifling cast into it if I recall correctly. Round nose

More than likely it was the Brenneke slug.