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    there is a 1300 pump on trademe now for $650....oh you said sane price....

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    Miami, I have always wondered why NZ cops are not issued with Riot shotguns but get Glocks instead. I would have thought that a shotgun would be a lot more versatile. It can be used to block and strike looks intimidating and can fire non-lethal rubber bullets and buckshot as well as lead. Can you give us a run down on the pros and cons of pistol versus shotty. Generally people shot by Police here are killed which has prompted the adoption of Tasers as a means of non lethal defence.I used to have a Winchester riot pump for pigs. Even shot two Chamois with it one morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moa Hunter View Post
    Miami, I have always wondered why NZ cops are not issued with Riot shotguns but get Glocks instead. I would have thought that a shotgun would be a lot more versatile. It can be used to block and strike looks intimidating and can fire non-lethal rubber bullets and buckshot as well as lead. Can you give us a run down on the pros and cons of pistol versus shotty. Generally people shot by Police here are killed which has prompted the adoption of Tasers as a means of non lethal defence.I used to have a Winchester riot pump for pigs. Even shot two Chamois with it one morning.
    I think you will find that most cars have a shotgun or ar15 or both in the boot, it's not really convenient walking around with a long gun full-time.

    Is it really in the best interests of the forum to be discussing the pros and cons of weapons for use against other human beings? A necessary evil they may be, but here is probably not really a place for that discussion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst View Post
    I think you will find that most cars have a shotgun or ar15 or both in the boot, it's not really convenient walking around with a long gun full-time.

    Is it really in the best interests of the forum to be discussing the pros and cons of weapons for use against other human beings? A necessary evil they may be, but here is probably not really a place for that discussion
    Hi Ryan, The reason I asked the question about Police issue shot guns in the US was because Miami said of his Rem 870 express magnum " … six years as my patrol cars trunk gun... ".
    I have rightly or wrongly made the assumption that he served as a police officer and carried a shot gun. Without that statement I would not have raised the question. My question is directed at saving lives not taking them.
    I along with many others have been concerned for some time with fatal shootings of offenders by the police when a means of non fatal restraint is many times perhaps more appropriate. Hence the use of Tasers here which have also not been without problems.
    Is a shotgun easier to point and use with rubber buckshot for non lethal restraint - shooting legs for example, especially by new officers rather than a Glock pistol. I don't know but suspect it would be. If I saw enough conclusive evidence from overseas I would certainly make a submission to the Minister of Police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moa Hunter View Post
    Hi Ryan, The reason I asked the question about Police issue shot guns in the US was because Miami said of his Rem 870 express magnum " … six years as my patrol cars trunk gun... ".
    I have rightly or wrongly made the assumption that he served as a police officer and carried a shot gun. Without that statement I would not have raised the question. My question is directed at saving lives not taking them.
    I along with many others have been concerned for some time with fatal shootings of offenders by the police when a means of non fatal restraint is many times perhaps more appropriate. Hence the use of Tasers here which have also not been without problems.
    Is a shotgun easier to point and use with rubber buckshot for non lethal restraint - shooting legs for example, especially by new officers rather than a Glock pistol. I don't know but suspect it would be. If I saw enough conclusive evidence from overseas I would certainly make a submission to the Minister of Police.
    If there was conclusive evidence you wouldn't have to make a submission, there are plenty of far more experienced and knowledgeable people overseeing such things.

    Which fatal offender shootings are you talking about in particular?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage1 View Post
    If there was conclusive evidence you wouldn't have to make a submission, there are plenty of far more experienced and knowledgeable people overseeing such things.

    Which fatal offender shootings are you talking about in particular?
    The Steven Wallace case is one I have never forgotten.
    In relation to private firearms ownership, fatal shootings by the police do not improve the publics perception of firearms or the police force. Look what has happened in the US with mass street protests following fatal shootings of members of the public who were mistakenly thought to be armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moa Hunter View Post
    Hi Ryan, The reason I asked the question about Police issue shot guns in the US was because Miami said of his Rem 870 express magnum " … six years as my patrol cars trunk gun... ".
    I have rightly or wrongly made the assumption that he served as a police officer and carried a shot gun. Without that statement I would not have raised the question. My question is directed at saving lives not taking them.
    I along with many others have been concerned for some time with fatal shootings of offenders by the police when a means of non fatal restraint is many times perhaps more appropriate. Hence the use of Tasers here which have also not been without problems.
    Is a shotgun easier to point and use with rubber buckshot for non lethal restraint - shooting legs for example, especially by new officers rather than a Glock pistol. I don't know but suspect it would be. If I saw enough conclusive evidence from overseas I would certainly make a submission to the Minister of Police.
    Wonder if this has ever been trialed. Works for several types of wild animal, why not on crazed meth heads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    Wonder if this has ever been trialed. Works for several types of wild animal, why not on crazed meth heads?

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    But if one of the weights hits a bystander or the perp, then "there aint no coming back from that..." but I like your idea. Looks intimidating, Its safe cos its orange, only downsides is it is a bugger to reload in a hurry and it wont fit on the officers batman utility belt for quick response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post
    But if one of the weights hits a bystander or the perp, then "there aint no coming back from that..." but I like your idea. Looks intimidating, Its safe cos its orange, only downsides is it is a bugger to reload in a hurry and it wont fit on the officers batman utility belt for quick response.
    Didn't that happen years ago when some of the deer recovery lads tried to net one of their mates and one of the weights hit him on the head and killed him?
    Anecdotal and legendary so if wrong I will stand corrected.
    More user friendly weights are being used now perhaps anyway?

 

 

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