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Originally Posted by ebf

Thanks Tussock, that makes sense, and was even done without growling

What I was trying to get at previously is asking if it is much harder training a single dog vs training a young dog where he/she sees how other dogs are behaving (well). In a pack (dogs, baboons, whatever) is it only the alpha that maintains discipline, or is it not also some of the other dogs "leading" by example ?

And sure, we humans don't necessarily get/understand dog/pack behavior. Pretty much the same can be said for some of these doggy debates where a couple of folks don't seem to realize that a debate/questions about training is not an alpha contest

Tussock has made a lot of sense. and I'll leave it with him as he articulates it better. You'll find most good dog handlers are very black and white people and so say things extremely directly... that's all I'm doing, I'm not being aggressive i am being forthright. In the dog world things either work or they don't and people seem to take my forthright approach as aggressive, it isn't. Simply there are facts and there are untruths... people will make a great case for things that don;t work... here is an example...

Originally Posted by el borracho

I use an ecollar and think they're a great tool for a dog that wont answer a command -my dog is well trained but wont always answer lke a robot so get a vibration o a low level zap.

A dog won't respond like a robot as it is a living creature. It should, however, if "well trained" respond. It cannot be well trained and not respond, if it doesn't respond it isn't well enough trained or requires more or more skilled training. The collar is used at the point where the know how ran out.

but this is presented almost like the disobedience is something to value because the dog isn't a robot..... it's that sort of thing that just stops people learning further because they have convinced themselves to accept such a low standard.

A dog won't respond like a robot as it is a living creature. It should, however, if "well trained" respond. It cannot be well trained and not respond, if it doesn't respond it isn't well enough trained or requires more or more skilled training. The collar is used at the point where the know how ran out.

but this is presented almost like the disobedience is something to value because the dog isn't a robot..... it's that sort of thing that just stops people learning further because they have convinced themselves to accept such a low standard.[/QUOTE]
Im afraid this is simply not true Ruff of hunting dogs I have seen that are trained to hunt at a high level -not one has a clean slate and to imply that a highly trained dog will always answer just isnt correct!!!

I like your work though Ruff and people should listen to your advice as it is good

Originally Posted by el borracho

Im afraid this is simply not true Ruff of hunting dogs I have seen that are trained to hunt at a high level -not one has a clean slate and to imply that a highly trained dog will always answer just isnt correct!!!

I like your work though Ruff and people should listen to your advice as it is good

I agree you may not have seen it... I reiterate it is 100% correct. I go back to my comments about works and what doesn't and also the standards people accept not knowing there is a better standard that is very achievable. If the dog is properly trained to respond, it responds, if it doesn;t respond then the training has not been up to standard... otherwise... what is training achieving....????