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Yes.

I've heard a few, but I don't think Ruff would approve. One included tying the dog up in a very small pen then letting a ram in. Myself I'd prefer the collar.

Perhaps I was to criptic, i'll edit my above post

Originally Posted by jakewire

Ruff, how would you cure a sheep chaser?
One that, no matter how many yards full of you walk through at heel without a problem, how many paddocks full of you walk through at heel, that, when he's thirty yards in front. He goes.

Maybe try going from heel to 2m ahead rather than straight to thirty...

Can't keep a long lead on forever Hori Hunter, sooner or later it's decision time.

That's the point : men are men and dogs are dogs.
When I want to learn something to a man , you explain him, give him a book , manual, even a short youtubeclip. With dogs, no way. You train him. Sit and stay , sit and stay to the thrown dummy, sit and stay on thrown pigeons, sit and stay on planted pigeons that he pushes himself ......... all this untill he does everything reliable. By no means this is a guarantee that he will do the same when he flushes a hare in full view at 25m. This does not mean that I would correct him straight away, but at a stage that you are convinced that he knows what to do and that he simply does what he likes, you have the possibility to react at the exact moment you want.

Tussock, just to smoke your theory..... My lot will chase a rabbit into a mob of sheep, that's the whole pack. Get the rabbit? maybe, maybe not, but they don't look at the sheep. You decide.

Essentially the dog is untrained and the collar just masks that. If the dog is trained it responds to commands, if it doesn;t respond to it's handler it isn;t trained.

At the point you put the collar on you are conceeding you haven't got control and need an external device to get it.

I've never had a stock chaser and like others have worked dogs through grazing sheep paddocks... but I never expose a young dog to stock until I have the control in place. The first look at stock gets a recall, turn, stop or whatever, and the dog gets these are not on the game list and ignores them...

Yes, an e-collar will work, but brings with a lot more baggage than simply having a well trained dog.

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Na. But I'll send you my worst and expect you to make it the best.

Sure, if you are prepared to pay... I'm not fragile enough to put work into your dogs to prove a point... my credibility is pretty established with the dogs I have worked with... I don;t have to prove anything.... but iof you are prepared to pay the standard rate i am more than willing to work with your worst gundog.

Originally Posted by Tussock

How exactly did man domesticate the dog?

Are you honestly telling me that the people who bred the dogs we are using, just put up with them chasing stock and breaking out and chasing game? Because they all pre date electric collars.

My family ran huge dog packs for rabbits a long before they invented the e-collar. You think they just put up with them hounding stock Wirehunt?

Now go ask them how they stock proofed.
Some of them old buggers were bloody hard on the dogs and their methods for doing things like that was just as hard.

Ok then, bring your best and we'll see how it goes. Requirements are find, catch/flush, chase and catch, retrieve.

But wait, different requirements to yours.....

Just ask them Tussock.

The old timers.

Tussock , just because someone writes something doesn't make it correct as a dog also has his own will -pay for all to remember that even after good solid training

Very true El B, I would go as far as saying there is more bad than good out there.

I have some really old books on training of stock dogs in England from the turn of last century, now that stuff is brutal!