Thread: Breeding and its finer points

An area discussed sometimes but a subject I would like to know more about without having to read myself silly with brains like Tessio -guys please add your thoughts on what you look for before breeding a dog and by that I mean inbreeding ,out breeding and all that stuff as I think it will be very interesting .I know squat about the finer points

You get a she dog, and then he dog...

El B I think when you are dealing with minority breeds and our geographical isolation the matter takes on a whole different aspect...I believe you have to do research, research, go to the country of origin...engage those of the country of origin not to talk to but to listen to...the great dogs have not all come from high flying kennels, but it maybe the one hidden away near the woodlands...owned by people passionate about hunting, about the breed who will understand and appreciate your own passion for hunting and the breed...it is not the trophies glistening on the shelf, nor the pretty big ribbons that should take your eye...

I would breed from a dog any day if it was a winner--why wouldn't you?

My dogs have illustrious field champions in their pedigrees from the country of origin...the field trials over there are so removed from what is here, except the live game trials have a similarity of course...but it is the fact that the breeders WERE/ARE MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT HUNTING THAN TRIALING...and so the dogs have a prey drive that is very strong, they have correct form, they have sound health and temperament, they reproduce their like...there's not much else really, is there?


edited to add: no, let me rephrase that...what else is there? a silver plated whatnot and a piece of artificial satin is not the basis on which to rest your breeding programme...why do you think that so many 'show' breeds are at the risk of becoming divergent to the progenitor...?

Originally Posted by el borracho

I would breed from a dog any day if it was a winner--why wouldn't you?

Read Leon book again El B, he comments about dogs that win pigeon trials dont always make good hunting dogs

a winner doesn't just mean pigeon trials.a consistent winner is a dog that can take instruction and has ability over others probably

Originally Posted by EeeBees

My dogs have illustrious field champions in their pedigrees from the country of origin...the field trials over there are so removed from what is here, except the live game trials have a similarity of course...but it is the fact that the breeders WERE/ARE MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT HUNTING THAN TRIALING...and so the dogs have a prey drive that is very strong, they have correct form, they have sound health and temperament, they reproduce their like...there's not much else really, [B]

edited to add: no, let me rephrase that...what else is there? a silver plated whatnot and a piece of artificial satin is not the basis on which to rest your breeding programme...why do you think that so many 'show' breeds are at the risk of becoming divergent to the progenitor...?

winning dogs in pointer and setter come from hunting breeding homes to a greater degree so I think your point is incorrect

Originally Posted by el borracho

winning dogs in pointer and setter come from hunting breeding homes to a greater degree so I think your point is incorrect

Holy cow!!! we have not long been told off for snakes and ladders in the dog department and here you go again... I am sure you start these threads just for the fun of aggravation...so my point is incorrect?...it IS MY OPINION....BASED ON PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE..as I say silver and satin mean nought to me...but I will take a dog from a man or woman who HUNTS THEIR HUNTING DOGS, SHOOTS BIRDS OVER THEIR BIRD DOGS...IT IS THEIR PASSION FOR THE BREED, THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE BREED STANDARD, THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE FORMATION...

edited to add...you have quoted me in your post...the illustrious trial dogs behind mine were trialed yes, the real passion of the breeders lay in HUNTING...mostly woodcock...

Originally Posted by el borracho

I would breed from a dog any day if it was a winner--why wouldn't you?

Only if I knew what it had beat!

Originally Posted by el borracho

a winner doesn't just mean pigeon trials.a consistent winner is a dog that can take instruction and has ability over others probably

Not even... by my experience...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

Holy cow!!! we have not long been told off for snakes and ladders in the dog department and here you go again... I am sure you start these threads just for the fun of aggravation...so my point is incorrect?...it IS MY OPINION....BASED ON PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE..as I say silver and satin mean nought to me...but I will take a dog from a man or woman who HUNTS THEIR HUNTING DOGS, SHOOTS BIRDS OVER THEIR BIRD DOGS...IT IS THEIR PASSION FOR THE BREED, THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE BREED STANDARD, THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE FORMATION...

edited to add...you have quoted me in your post...the illustrious trial dogs behind mine were trialed yes, the real passion of the breeders lay in HUNTING...mostly woodcock...

I agree with everything you say, except the bit about the breed standard... breed standards have NEVER improved a breed and defy anyone to show me where it has.... Breed Standards from cockerels, to pigeons, cattle and dogs, destroy breeds purpose... the rest is unequivocally where the breeding dogs rests... nice post!

and yes ELB loves to provoke.....

Originally Posted by Ruff

I agree with everything you say, except the bit about the breed standard... breed standards have NEVER improved a breed and defy anyone to show me where it has.... Breed Standards from cockerels, to pigeons, cattle and dogs, destroy breeds purpose... the rest is unequivocally where the breeding dogs rests... nice post!

I mean, Ruff, it is my heartfelt and utter passion and endeavour for my dogs to maintain the form of the breed...

Originally Posted by Ruff

and yes ELB loves to provoke.....

I do not !!!
Whats your thoughts on mating Ruff -how close to the dogs or bitches other family members .

EEs Bees I wonder If Robyn Gaskin breeds with her most winning dogs to others or goes to some Hunter in the corner of the farm and uses his dogs ??? my point really

Originally Posted by EeeBees

I mean, Ruff, it is my heartfelt and utter passion and endeavor for my dogs to maintain the form of the breed...

good endeavor to aim for Victoria !!!