Thread: Gsp wanted

Originally Posted by Gibo

Not at all, no slagging just thinking there must be breeders that dont follow the traits you mentioned. Breed for hunting not shows.
That was all i meant.

Unfortunately very few are breeding for these traits. Some are trying to but realistically if they are not hunting the quarry you want over their dogs themselves it is very possible they do not even know what faults (on the hill) their dogs possess. Sadly the "fact" they are on the right track is reinforced in their mind by the placement of a ribbon around the dogs neck after trotting around a small arena on the weekend and it ears a CH title or Am Ch Int Ch or whatever beauty contest awards are dished out and the dog is now marketed as a CHAMPION without ever having done anything to demonstrate it could be a champion or first rate hunting dog.

Some folks are focused on the hunting elements but the lack of true working stock here makes it difficult to negotiate the gene pool and discern from solid hunting stock and show ponies. The whining doesn't effect a dog in the show ring and they will still become champions so it doesn't disappear. If it did it would not be an issue and those with a predisposition to whine would not be bred from. the biggest favor anyone with a GSP that whines can do for the breed in the first instance is not breed any whining dog.

Whining is hard to isolate as a genetic thing, some dogs will whine and it is very much a handling issue in most cases, but some strains of working spaniels are shockers and virtually most all GSP's and if it is genetic the average handler will probably never get rid of it..

Dave Robinson and Bob Whitehead are the only two breeders I knew of who bred for 100% hunting traits and ignored the show ring pretty munch (Bob's line was used on show lines when he married Mandy miller a show breeder of GSP's) but Dave isn;t breeding currently and Bob went out of the breed for pointers and spaniels a decade or so ago.

Originally Posted by Ruff

Unfortunately very few are breeding for these traits. Some are trying to but realistically if they are not hunting the quarry you want over their dogs themselves it is very possible they do not even know what faults (on the hill) their dogs possess. Sadly the "fact" they are on the right track is reinforced in their mind by the placement of a ribbon around the dogs neck after trotting around a small arena on the weekend and it ears a CH title or Am Ch Int Ch or whatever beauty contest awards are dished out and the dog is now marketed as a CHAMPION without ever having done anything to demonstrate it could be a champion or first rate hunting dog.

Some folks are focused on the hunting elements but the lack of true working stock here makes it difficult to negotiate the gene pool and discern from solid hunting stock and show ponies. The whining doesn't effect a dog in the show ring and they will still become champions so it doesn't disappear. If it did it would not be an issue and those with a predisposition to whine would not be bred from. the biggest favor anyone with a GSP that whines can do for the breed in the first instance is not breed any whining dog.

Whining is hard to isolate as a genetic thing, some dogs will whine and it is very much a handling issue in most cases, but some strains of working spaniels are shockers and virtually most all GSP's and if it is genetic the average handler will probably never get rid of it..

Dave Robinson and Bob Whitehead are the only two breeders I knew of who bred for 100% hunting traits and ignored the show ring pretty munch (Bob's line was used on show lines when he married Mandy miller a show breeder of GSP's) but Dave isn;t breeding currently and Bob went out of the breed for pointers and spaniels a decade or so ago.

Thanks Ruff. Makes your initial point nice and clear.