Gsp wanted

Hi there

Can anyone put me onto a working gsp breeder?

Im after a pup after november

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Lots of GSP kennels around
here's one
Broadbent Hunting And Game Dog Breeders, German Shorthaired Pointers, GSP, Hunting Dogs, Dogs For Hunting, Game Dogs, Welsh Springer Spaniels, Hunting German Pointers, Hunting Spaniels

Yeah mate Jim Broadbent im getting a pup from him next month

All I can say is do your research and be very very careful.

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Originally Posted by Ruff

All I can say is do your research and be very very careful.

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Careful of what Ruff?

The main fault in GSP's these days is incessant whining that is primarily genetic and almost impossible to train out.

Getting harder and harder to find good working blood... Broadbent is producing some of the better ones from what I hear, but I haven;t seen them. Gail Blankley also produces some nice dogs.

I'd like a Gsp X lab

Get a Setter

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Originally Posted by Toby

I'd like a Gsp X lab

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I had one that was a world beater... but seriously, you still want to know the ins and outs of the parents... a cross breed with faults is just a cheaper version of a pedigree with faults....

Thanks for the info

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Get a Setter

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Ignore him... he's gay and wears tweed... :)

his tweed is even gay

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Originally Posted by Ruff

The main fault in GSP's these days is incessant whining that is primarily genetic and almost impossible to train out.

Getting harder and harder to find good working blood... Broadbent is producing some of the better ones from what I hear, but I haven;t seen them. Gail Blankley also produces some nice dogs.

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..Fuck me I didn't know there was such a thing ! ( a gsp that doesn't whine) . If they are available ? I'll trade mine !

So who's got them because I know some one who hunts alot and want to trail one ? Who's looking

I can recommend best bets with no guarantee... another breed fucked up by the "my dog is prettier than your dog" brigade... and to think some people who pretend to be about working dogs actually believe and try to convince others that beauty contests somehow find correct conformation... what a bunch of tossers... the whining trait ingrained in the breed is a direct result, 100% unarguable, unequivocal, the result of picking champions by eyelashes instead of performances.

If thats the case Ruff then theres bound to be plenty of em round that are sweet as im sure many hunters would not be into the same traits no?? What do I know though just a obvious point from my experience with hunters not so much dogs.

I'm not so sure, met a German import last year who had the GSP high-pitch whine.

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Originally Posted by Gibo

If thats the case Ruff then theres bound to be plenty of em round that are sweet as im sure many hunters would not be into the same traits no?? What do I know though just a obvious point from my experience with hunters not so much dogs.

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Whatever positivity you can add to the mix is accepted... Love to hear of all your GSP kennels with perfect dogs or do you just want to slag me off???

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Originally Posted by Pointer

I'm not so sure, met a German import last year who had the GSP high-pitch whine.

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Never said it wasn't an international trait caused by the same international people. :D

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Originally Posted by Ruff

Whatever positivity you can add to the mix is accepted... Love to hear of all your GSP kennels with perfect dogs or do you just want to slag me off???

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Not at all, no slagging just thinking there must be breeders that dont follow the traits you mentioned. Breed for hunting not shows.
That was all i meant.

Is the whining a problem because they scare the game away with it or is it more of an annoyance than something that has a major affect on the hunt?

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Originally Posted by phillipgr

Is the whining a problem because they scare the game away with it or is it more of an annoyance than something that has a major affect on the hunt?

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They are not a problem when hunting ,stalking and so on , it's when they are not ,they don't like sitting round They are fine when pointing too . Mine is not as bad as some ,but he goes to town when I hit shingle roads now( he knows he's going hunting) Drives me nuts .

Yeah, its the 'maimai whine' thats a deal breaker

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Originally Posted by Gibo

Not at all, no slagging just thinking there must be breeders that dont follow the traits you mentioned. Breed for hunting not shows.
That was all i meant.

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Unfortunately very few are breeding for these traits. Some are trying to but realistically if they are not hunting the quarry you want over their dogs themselves it is very possible they do not even know what faults (on the hill) their dogs possess. Sadly the "fact" they are on the right track is reinforced in their mind by the placement of a ribbon around the dogs neck after trotting around a small arena on the weekend and it ears a CH title or Am Ch Int Ch or whatever beauty contest awards are dished out and the dog is now marketed as a CHAMPION without ever having done anything to demonstrate it could be a champion or first rate hunting dog.

Some folks are focused on the hunting elements but the lack of true working stock here makes it difficult to negotiate the gene pool and discern from solid hunting stock and show ponies. The whining doesn't effect a dog in the show ring and they will still become champions so it doesn't disappear. If it did it would not be an issue and those with a predisposition to whine would not be bred from. the biggest favor anyone with a GSP that whines can do for the breed in the first instance is not breed any whining dog.

Whining is hard to isolate as a genetic thing, some dogs will whine and it is very much a handling issue in most cases, but some strains of working spaniels are shockers and virtually most all GSP's and if it is genetic the average handler will probably never get rid of it..

Dave Robinson and Bob Whitehead are the only two breeders I knew of who bred for 100% hunting traits and ignored the show ring pretty munch (Bob's line was used on show lines when he married Mandy miller a show breeder of GSP's) but Dave isn;t breeding currently and Bob went out of the breed for pointers and spaniels a decade or so ago.

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Originally Posted by Ruff

Unfortunately very few are breeding for these traits. Some are trying to but realistically if they are not hunting the quarry you want over their dogs themselves it is very possible they do not even know what faults (on the hill) their dogs possess. Sadly the "fact" they are on the right track is reinforced in their mind by the placement of a ribbon around the dogs neck after trotting around a small arena on the weekend and it ears a CH title or Am Ch Int Ch or whatever beauty contest awards are dished out and the dog is now marketed as a CHAMPION without ever having done anything to demonstrate it could be a champion or first rate hunting dog.

Some folks are focused on the hunting elements but the lack of true working stock here makes it difficult to negotiate the gene pool and discern from solid hunting stock and show ponies. The whining doesn't effect a dog in the show ring and they will still become champions so it doesn't disappear. If it did it would not be an issue and those with a predisposition to whine would not be bred from. the biggest favor anyone with a GSP that whines can do for the breed in the first instance is not breed any whining dog.

Whining is hard to isolate as a genetic thing, some dogs will whine and it is very much a handling issue in most cases, but some strains of working spaniels are shockers and virtually most all GSP's and if it is genetic the average handler will probably never get rid of it..

Dave Robinson and Bob Whitehead are the only two breeders I knew of who bred for 100% hunting traits and ignored the show ring pretty munch (Bob's line was used on show lines when he married Mandy miller a show breeder of GSP's) but Dave isn;t breeding currently and Bob went out of the breed for pointers and spaniels a decade or so ago.

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Thanks Ruff. Makes your initial point nice and clear. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Pointer

Yeah, its the 'maimai whine' thats a deal breaker

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Yeah I bet that would be

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Originally Posted by Munsey

They are not a problem when hunting ,stalking and so on , it's when they are not ,they don't like sitting round They are fine when pointing too . Mine is not as bad as some ,but he goes to town when I hit shingle roads now( he knows he's going hunting) Drives me nuts .

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On a similar note, anyone running labs on deer have trouble with them panting quite loudly and scaring the game? I'm not sure if this trait is widespread but the labs I've come across (pets, not gundogs) pant pretty loudly. I don't really suppose that if I deer couldn't smell you/your dog it would be a huge problem but I'm just curious.

Growing up everyone in my family who hunted had one. Sitting in maimai opposite one of my uncles dogs' maybe 150m away, across a still pond all you could hear was "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Hmmmmmmmmph!" then a thump and a "ssssssh" repeated every two odd minutes... Everyone that heard this dog reckoned my uncle better take it to a mechanic, as the whine was so loud he must have run a bearing or something

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Originally Posted by phillipgr

On a similar note, anyone running labs on deer have trouble with them panting quite loudly and scaring the game? I'm not sure if this trait is widespread but the labs I've come across (pets, not gundogs) pant pretty loudly. I don't really suppose that if I deer couldn't smell you/your dog it would be a huge problem but I'm just curious.

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Maybe more of a couch potato fitness issue Phil?

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Originally Posted by Gibo

Maybe more of a couch potato fitness issue Phil?

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Yeah that probably has a lot to do with it

To a degree with Labs, some of those Labs now bred to be so heavy as to resemble a small Rottweiller will have this issue regardless of fitness. The more Athletic English working type it's not so much an issue at all. There's a reason many call them "huffer dogs". Having said I have seen a spaniel put out of a live game trial for panting too loud... everyone was a bit shocked, but that was the standard the judge wanted met.

In a deer situation a dog, any dog, lab or not, of reasonable fitness shouldn;t be in a situation where it is breathing overly loudly unless it is stressed, has just chased something, is out of shape.

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Originally Posted by Munsey

They are not a problem when hunting ,stalking and so on , it's when they are not ,they don't like sitting round They are fine when pointing too . Mine is not as bad as some ,but he goes to town when I hit shingle roads now( he knows he's going hunting) Drives me nuts .

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:D that brings back memories. My dog would get excited when he could hear the gunsafe being opened, see the wife or I put on sandshoes, start the Hilux, hook on the jetboat or travel gravel roads.
I used to let him out a km or 2 before a hunt if I could, and he would be off. The amount of times I have come around a corner on a back road to see him squeezing one out in the middle of the road, just so you couldnt pass him was unreal. He drove me nuts at times.
He simmered down heaps as he got older.

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Originally Posted by R93

:D that brings back memories. My dog would get excited when he could hear the gunsafe being opened, see the wife or I put on sandshoes, start the Hilux, hook on the jetboat or travel gravel roads.
I used to let him out a km or 2 before a hunt if I could, and he would be off. The amount of times I have come around a corner on a back road to see him squeezing one out in the middle of the road, just so you couldnt pass him was unreal. He drove me nuts at times.
He simmered down heaps as he got older.

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:) The problem with that can be as they get fitter you have to let them out earlier and earlier... in the end you just open the kennel and meet them at the parking point! :pacman:

Do GWP have the same problem with the whining?

How is the breeding pool in NZ for Weimaraner?

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Originally Posted by phillipgr

Do GWP have the same problem with the whining?

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No! it could exist in some of the show lines but I haven;t much to do with them. Not an issue, from my experience in the working lines.

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Originally Posted by phillipgr

How is the breeding pool in NZ for Weimaraner?

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Completely rooted.

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Originally Posted by Ruff

No! it could exist in some of the show lines but I haven;t much to do with them. Not an issue, from my experience in the working lines.



Completely rooted.

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That's a good but bugger about the weimaraner.

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to get the best of both worlds you can get slick/smooth coated GWP's............ just saying.

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Originally Posted by Ruff

To a degree with Labs, some of those Labs now bred to be so heavy as to resemble a small Rottweiller will have this issue regardless of fitness. The more Athletic English working type it's not so much an issue at all. There's a reason many call them "huffer dogs".

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Coming from the UK that's the kind of Lab I'm used to. Do you know which NZ breeders (North Island preferably) still breed this type and focus on working lines? I've looked online but most of the sites just refer to temperament/nature rather than be specific about working potential.

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Originally Posted by AndyT

Coming from the UK that's the kind of Lab I'm used to. Do you know which NZ breeders (North Island preferably) still breed this type and focus on working lines? I've looked online but most of the sites just refer to temperament/nature rather than be specific about working potential.

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I know bonecrusher was looking to breed from his lab which is either an import or from an English line, I'm not sure, you should PM him

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Burnsy - Wendy Schwalger in Christchurch, Falkenhof kennels, she also breeds GSP. Her import dog is very nice.