Thread: Has everyone shot their dogs and given up?

Originally Posted by Petros_mk

240volts will sort her out... might even feed some Koreans if you have any as friends.

Just so we are clear I'm not the one administering the electricity....

My dog was out there last night,just waiting for some good weather to shoot his nuts off

I have had my hands full

Originally Posted by R93

My plan for a new pup got delayed for a year. Forum knitting club then?
I wanna bring back the David Bain style Jersey, they were cool

I'm taking orders for 2015, could knit your new pup a bain jersey?

I don't know how to start a new thread, but I have a conundrum.

I have owned and successfully hunted GWP's for many years now and have huge love and respect for their abilities and the very large quantities of meat and poultry they have allowed me to bag.

I have never used electric shocks on my dogs and do not believe in training by punishments, but by positive association. My dogs are very strong and willing hunters and setters including upland GAME, WATERFOWL, DEER AND PIGS, EVEN BUMBLEBEES in the garden.

I want to apply for certain hunting area permits but the conditions are that dogs must be certificated as having completed Kiwi aversion certification. The thought of some DoC greeny shocking my dogs is a nightmare to me. Am I wrong to worry and should I just allow my excellent and trusted dogs to undergo this treatment or not? What are the possible negative effects on hunting/ pointing, setting, retrieving and also on dog trust?

Originally Posted by Woody

I don't know how to start a new thread, but I have a conundrum.

I have owned and successfully hunted GWP's for many years now and have huge love and respect for their abilities and the very large quantities of meat and poultry they have allowed me to bag.

I have never used electric shocks on my dogs and do not believe in training by punishments, but by positive association. My dogs are very strong and willing hunters and setters including upland GAME, WATERFOWL, DEER AND PIGS, EVEN BUMBLEBEES in the garden.

I want to apply for certain hunting area permits but the conditions are that dogs must be certificated as having completed Kiwi aversion certification. The thought of some DoC greeny shocking my dogs is a nightmare to me. Am I wrong to worry and should I just allow my excellent and trusted dogs to undergo this treatment or not? What are the possible negative effects on hunting/ pointing, setting, retrieving and also on dog trust?

Get Willie Marsh to do it, dogs will be fine and won't make a difference to their hunting. He adapts to the dog and doesn't give a massive shock like I have had done to some of my dogs by other certifiers

Originally Posted by Woody

I don't know how to start a new thread, but I have a conundrum.

I have owned and successfully hunted GWP's for many years now and have huge love and respect for their abilities and the very large quantities of meat and poultry they have allowed me to bag.

I have never used electric shocks on my dogs and do not believe in training by punishments, but by positive association. My dogs are very strong and willing hunters and setters including upland GAME, WATERFOWL, DEER AND PIGS, EVEN BUMBLEBEES in the garden.

I want to apply for certain hunting area permits but the conditions are that dogs must be certificated as having completed Kiwi aversion certification. The thought of some DoC greeny shocking my dogs is a nightmare to me. Am I wrong to worry and should I just allow my excellent and trusted dogs to undergo this treatment or not? What are the possible negative effects on hunting/ pointing, setting, retrieving and also on dog trust?

@mucko and @Twoshotkill had it done recently. Boys what say you??

I am of the opinion that my dog would be completely fucked if I did the kiwi aversion with him.
1) he would shut down, after a life of positive reinforcement he would withdraw and never work for a human ever again 2) I think it's bullshit and doesn't work - we've spent thousands of years breeding in the instinct to our dogs, they won't give a fuck about a shock last month when they looked at a frozen kiwi 3) I would hate myself for allowing, paying someone, to physically harm my animal.

My 2c! Good luck to you and your pooches.


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Ps it sounds like you've got enough places to hunt anyway if you've been doing it for years already - screw the kiwi blocks and keep doing what you're doing :-)


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All my old spots are 1080'd to hell and gone, so I am forced to start looking at private and Maori blocks. Many DoC areas now demand Kiwi aversion certs for dogs. I don't want to hunt without them as it is total enjoyment for them as much as for me. I know my dogs won't chase a bird to bite because they road the bird and point / set and do not fetch until commanded, but try explaining that to DoC!

Originally Posted by Woody

All my old spots are 1080'd to hell and gone, so I am forced to start looking at private and Maori blocks. Many DoC areas now demand Kiwi aversion certs for dogs. I don't want to hunt without them as it is total enjoyment for them as much as for me. I know my dogs won't chase a bird to bite because they road the bird and point / set and do not fetch until commanded, but try explaining that to DoC!

After DOC drops there is only kiwis in the hills without feathers meaning the hunters and trampers. Areas I have hunted the kiwis usualy have a rifle

Originally Posted by Woody

All my old spots are 1080'd to hell and gone, so I am forced to start looking at private and Maori blocks. Many DoC areas now demand Kiwi aversion certs for dogs. I don't want to hunt without them as it is total enjoyment for them as much as for me. I know my dogs won't chase a bird to bite because they road the bird and point / set and do not fetch until commanded, but try explaining that to DoC!

Thats what every pig hunter tries to tell them too.

It doesn’t harm them. And the people that run the programs are usually doggy folks themselves, and not DOC “greeny” staff. My Wire has been through several times now. Only received one shock on the first bird, and hasn’t needed one since.

My certs have lapsed , but all of my dogs have been through aversion training, all have only had one shock and passed with no shock for every test after that

No cert no permit for us, never had any issues, and my current bitch is soft and timid, just let the trainer know that

You could try pull the wool and say its been done before so only a test needed and if shows no interest wont get a zap, say you lost your cert , did it up north or something

Dog might seem Ok, but what effect on confidence of pointing birds from then on??

Originally Posted by Woody

Dog might seem Ok, but what effect on confidence of pointing birds from then on??

None. You asked. Make your own mind up.