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The stuff behind the planned mating of Cmores will give you a distant double up of Line and Woody, if they are dogs you liked, and if that was a direction you wanted to go.
Why not use your dog as the outcross and put it back to NZ lines since he is out of Warrior?
Or even better, why not do both and see which works?
I would like to but am clueless on breeding hence my asking for advice .I would very much like to see more Setters around and about for sure .Woody was a fantastic dog that I watched compete plenty -a true champion !!
And according to most, no-one else could handle him except for his second owner, NZs greatest P&S handler ever...
Going by the NZKC site blackfield kennels has NZ stuff, have you approached him? Considering there are only a few setter people here, and used the word clueless, why don't you get in contact with the other setter guys, Hendren, Allen etc? Your dog may be of use to them
Yes , I haven't spoken to Noel for years and I don't think he is trialing anymore although I believe Ian is and will see him at the up and coming trial.
Woodys second handler was Noel -I believe Leon was the best ever handler of Woody as he made him up did he not ?
Noel had woody first I believe, passed him on in hi first year? Mortenson straightened him out and made him up, and when he passed on Noel took him back. It seems that the only one who could handle him, and run him to his best, was Leon. I had a well-known triallist tell me that they would pull their dogs out if they knew woody was running, when he was unbeatable.
Talk to those guys, there isn't anyone left alive who could be of more help to you really, they know the breed inside out. Stay out of the politics and good luck whichever way you go!
the day Leon passed away there became a split in NZ english setter people, its a fucking shame as a Gus x Line litter would have been good to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by kawhia
do you think the quality of these pointers and setters we had in nz in the heydays really were that great if they died out within a generation after the death of a few pillars.
if it wasn't for the introduction of the versatile breeds i reckon the pointer setter scene would be a different story.
your correct ,I do remember Noel did have him first. Man that dog was a machine.Ive never understood the politics in dogging especially white against redQuote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
what happened to cause this rift and what was the outcomeQuote:
Originally Posted by upnorth uplander
I was just looking up Frank Tommy on the net and found myself and 'INTI' born BEBETO
The Progeny of Lapphaugen's H. Moulin
I agree, a good dog is a good dog, I like seeing all the pointing breeds go and go well. long haired or short, wiry, red, white, spotted, black or blue. A good dog speaks for itselfQuote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
Im just chatting with Noel about setters
Having jus had a chat with Noel Allen for an hour Im quite excited by his young puppy bitch that Ian Hendren bred .Noel commented how intelligent this pup is showing itself to be and has intentions if all goes well of using Woody's stored semen for it to create another super Setter -one for me for sure !
Excellent news!
How many here own English Setters - I own one