Thread: Llewellin Setter breed

Ms à Goes was a bit of a strange person. She had plenty of dogs from the original lines, but she lost every bit of feeling with the modern setter and pointer world. She kept her line pure, but was unable to compete against more modern dogs coming from Italy and France. I must say that I saw one extremely good shooting dog from her breeding.
She refused to cross any foreign blood into her dogs. Dr Guberti , the pope of Italian pointers, once said that there is a huge diffrence between breeding dogs and trial dogs.
His breeding stuff was pure linebred (inbred), but the trial stuff was always a first generation outcross. I tnink she also should have done a slight outcross on a few occasions to refresh the genes. Thans breeding these outcrosses back in the line.

Her kennel is still succeeded by her niece Sabine Van Zurpele and Monique Renard.

You are as far as I have read and spoke with a gentleman in Italy correct. I little more depth on the subject Sabine and a gentlem by the name of Mario work quite closely on the Italian Llewellins. As of recent though, they took some American Llewellin back into their stock via Lynhill Kennels. There might be an issue there though as Lynhill may have been caught up in the King English/llewellin setter debacle. Lynhill has made inroads with A Gos some years back and he imported her stock into the U.S.. he then bred to some American Llewelins and my dogs from Derry(Advie). Lynhill, Mario and Sabine to some extant are now interbreding these dogs with the pure Itallian Llewellins and the possible King English. I am not sure if they are in knnowledge of this fact and I have tried to discuss this with them, but will not oblige a conversation about this. I had attempted to contact Mario about his lines and rebreeding back to the Advie line but he had no interest. So whether that line has been tainted or not is not known for sure since they chose not to DNA match with mine.

That is how the Llewellin breeders work though, its sad really.

Originally Posted by Hales Smut

Ms à Goes was a bit of a strange person. She had plenty of dogs from the original lines, but she lost every bit of feeling with the modern setter and pointer world. She kept her line pure, but was unable to compete against more modern dogs coming from Italy and France. I must say that I saw one extremely good shooting dog from her breeding.
She refused to cross any foreign blood into her dogs. Dr Guberti , the pope of Italian pointers, once said that there is a huge diffrence between breeding dogs and trial dogs.
His breeding stuff was pure linebred (inbred), but the trial stuff was always a first generation outcross. I tnink she also should have done a slight outcross on a few occasions to refresh the genes. Thans breeding these outcrosses back in the line.

Her kennel is still succeeded by her niece Sabine Van Zurpele and Monique Renard.

Can you attest to my knowledge or have I been misled. You being as close as you are have you ever been in contact with Ms a Goes or her niece? I would like to hear more if you would have aby more knowledge. Especially if I am incorrect on any account.

Originally Posted by Hales Smut

Ms à Goes was a bit of a strange person. She had plenty of dogs from the original lines, but she lost every bit of feeling with the modern setter and pointer world. She kept her line pure, but was unable to compete against more modern dogs coming from Italy and France. I must say that I saw one extremely good shooting dog from her breeding.
She refused to cross any foreign blood into her dogs. Dr Guberti , the pope of Italian pointers, once said that there is a huge diffrence between breeding dogs and trial dogs.
His breeding stuff was pure linebred (inbred), but the trial stuff was always a first generation outcross. I tnink she also should have done a slight outcross on a few occasions to refresh the genes. Thans breeding these outcrosses back in the line.

Her kennel is still succeeded by her niece Sabine Van Zurpele and Monique Renard.