Thread: Llewellin Setter breed

Don't get me wrong. I believe more in linebreeding, I only do an outcross when needed. The problem is that for some breeders linebreeding becomes the purpose. If it's not linebred it won't be good. I am not of that idea. Linebreeding should be there to improve the breed and not as a goal himself. Those I know put linebreeding as the only way and become kennelblind. In these blindness they use antything in the line good or bad, just because " the qualities are in the line" . They forget to cull anything what is substandard. I like to keep 50% of the dog and the dam in the line? Is this better ? Time will tell.

I should read " Snakefoot, the making of a champion" to get a better idea on Whele's work.

Your efforts would be greatly appreciated an i would be in your debt. I am afraid of what i may learn though with your services that she has out crossed and diluted her lines with English Setters by no intent of her own, but by being misled by the Americans. I would greatly hope to be proved wrong on this account.

I have been fortunate to this point to never have out crossed these Llewelins, what would be considered pure Bondhu in Llewellin terms, and not the Bondhu that the Americans considered to be pure. Only true European Bondhu, which if we compared DNA should be identical. That to me would be most fascinating to take two kennels almost one hundred years apart and compare DNA to see the likeliness. To this point though I have not been able to be successful as Poles( such as myself) are not considered highly regarded peoples.

But again, your efforts would be greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by Hales Smut

I don't know Sabine Van Zurpele in person. I am in spaniels myself. My mentor in spaniels is a personal friend of Sabine and through him I will try to have a look at her dogs and have a chat. I do know that the last 20/30 years none of their dogs proved anything in trials. I fully agree that trials are not everything, but it stays the only way to compare dogs in approx the same conditions. My mentor also was a strong believer in line(in)breeding (spaniels) as was Dr Guberti ( pointers) ,......... and many others. The only man who I know of, that was very succesfull with linebreeding was Robert Whele of Elhew fame. Most , just like my friend, ended with dogs wich where completely outdated and unable to compete with other breeders dogs.
As I am very keen myself to have a more profound idea how Sabine's dogs are bred, I'll try to keep you informed. This may take a few weeks, but I'll be back.

Where do you live Levernt ? Not in New Zealand ?

I live in the US. just south of the Canadian border in a German Settlement area.

Originally Posted by Hales Smut

Where do you live Levernt ? Not in New Zealand ?

good words Hales and your efforts are appreciated !

a morning out with INTI

Looks very nice

Originally Posted by el borracho

a morning out with INTI

he has been a wonderful god with much talent