Pointer and Setter Trials

i havnt been involved with the club for years, do they still run HPR club trials , i cant remember tracking being a part of the HPR trials we ran

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Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

my take on a HPR trial is a down the line pigeon trial with a water retrieve added to it, any other ideas ???

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That's the starting format. Ultimately I hope it will be a shooting trial on pheasants and hares/rabbits with a water retrieve added.

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Originally Posted by el borracho

HPR would need a tracking element also.Why not run them through GSP club?
Run with it! now matter how you start it will just develop--it dont have to be a polished diamond to start with

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I think a tracking section is a waste of time. In my experience, any track a human can lay is extremely easy for any half decent dog to complete and it ends up taking up loads of time and real estate to lay the tracks.

I'm not sure of a way to do it but I would like to see it be a part of the format eventually if a decent solution can be developed. For the time being it isn't included.

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Why not run them through GSP club?

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It is

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Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

i havnt been involved with the club for years, do they still run HPR club trials , i cant remember tracking being a part of the HPR trials we ran

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They haven't been run in a long time.

there are steps that need to be taken if you actually want to set something up that will actually stand the test of time.... the first small steps have already been taken, nzkc and nzgta will require an indept set of standards/rules for such trials, and like anything to do with them it will take time.
as a rule we follow the uk trial formats, any advancement in hpr trialling in this country will follow the uk, the same as the spaniels.
setters and pointers are not classed as HPR's under the uk system, in fact they have as of this week moved into official status as a separate format.
the time is getting close to approach nzgta, to adopt the hpr format for live game........ i disagree with the fact all that has been done is talk.

do your home work and have a look at whats happening in those other countries with the little union jacks in the flag corners.
look into whats been tried here in the past, you may find the auckland gsp club sunk the last decent attempt....... i'm sure bob will tell you the story.

talk to the guys who set up the live game spaniel format, they too just got stuck in and done it, but they made sure they had the instruction book before hand................ and didn't run non spaniels for starters lol.

You can talk about it in theory all you want.

I'd rather get out and run dogs and have fun then decide where to go from there. Who cares if it's not the perfect format? It's good to get dogs out working. Screw NZGTA or whoever recognition, I just want to run dogs. Recognition can come in time if warranted.

I talked to Bob about it on monday when I took Quick down to show him.

The details for the trial have just been sent out. Sept 23rd in Auckland.

good luck with it.

i think our end goal to hold live game trials is the same, but our approach to do so is where we differ on the matter.

ill be there ,better wear cushions in ya behind areas cause ill be kicken ass :ninj:

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Originally Posted by kawhia

there are steps that need to be taken if you actually want to set something up that will actually stand the test of time.... the first small steps have already been taken, nzkc and nzgta will require an indept set of standards/rules for such trials, and like anything to do with them it will take time.
as a rule we follow the uk trial formats, any advancement in hpr trialling in this country will follow the uk, the same as the spaniels.
setters and pointers are not classed as HPR's under the uk system, in fact they have as of this week moved into official status as a separate format.
the time is getting close to approach nzgta, to adopt the hpr format for live game........ i disagree with the fact all that has been done is talk.

do your home work and have a look at whats happening in those other countries with the little union jacks in the flag corners.
look into whats been tried here in the past, you may find the auckland gsp club sunk the last decent attempt....... i'm sure bob will tell you the story.

talk to the guys who set up the live game spaniel format, they too just got stuck in and done it, but they made sure they had the instruction book before hand................ and didn't run non spaniels for starters lol.

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so the first step is to remove Versatiles from P&S trials ???

Kawhia, do you have anything positive to put forward

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Originally Posted by kawhia

good luck with it.

i think our end goal to hold live game trials is the same, but our approach to do so is where we differ on the matter.

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You have to start somewhere. This is something we can actually pull off right now, not a theoretical future if all the stars align.

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Originally Posted by el borracho

ill be there ,better wear cushions in ya behind areas cause ill be kicken ass :ninj:

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The trial is at the SAGDC grounds which are really good. Should be a good time if nothing else.

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Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

so the first step is to remove Versatiles from P&S trials ???

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Lord I hope not. I have no intention of quitting PS trialling.

with the state of trialing in general best come all!

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Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

Kawhia, do you have anything positive to put forward

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do you ?

if what i'm saying is termed negative then i really can't help you....... read into it how ever you like.

Sounds negative to me. You are just criticizing what is happening.

You can sit back and criticize or you can come out and support what we are trying to do. I've told you many times this is the first step. We need to show that there is interest then there is progress. Sitting there and preaching on the ideal isn't going to accomplish anything. The shooting spaniel trials didn't come up out of the blue, there was an established pigeon trial format first.

The existing pigeon trial format showed that there was an existing body of dogs capable of competing. With the low numbers of HPRs competing in PS trials there is no confidence that there is a qualified group of dogs out there to even run. Honestly I doubt it myself.

In the natural game trials this weekend I have the only versatiles running. With that kind of participation you want to up and run a shooting natural game trial and expect it to work? Good luck.

We need to hold basic events like this and have good turnouts to demonstrate that there are the dogs out there to run. You can sit back and complain that it's not the ideal or you can help out but I'm done with talking about it. Time to do something.

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Originally Posted by kawhia

do you ?

if what i'm saying is termed negative then i really can't help you....... read into it how ever you like.

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i already have

You gonna be able to make it to the trial on the 23rd Upnorth?

Z and Kawhia are you both going to attend this trial,be fun for sure

I'll bring beer

ive been practicing on live game,my boy is doing ok given how much time he has had off

I'll be back up north on monday, we can do some training on pigeons if you like.

im working

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Originally Posted by RCGSP

In the natural game trials this weekend I have the only versatiles running. With that kind of participation you want to up and run a shooting natural game trial and expect it to work? Good luck.

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And my boy was the only TRUE continental!!!!:D:D

The thing I like about the wildgame trials, is that they are the closest thing we have in this country to the French trials.

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Originally Posted by RCGSP

I'll bring beer

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i'd rather chase deer

The beauty of NZ is you can chase deer any weekend. Trials are only on certain weekends.

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Originally Posted by EeeBees

And my boy was the only TRUE continental!!!!:D:D

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Germany is no longer continental europe?

You comin on the 23rd?

todays training-hope y'all don't mind some more pics of my dog training

Looks familiar


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selling tickets

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a joke,alot will like to use it lol

think i have been there too

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Originally Posted by RCGSP

The beauty of NZ is you can chase deer any weekend. Trials are only on certain weekends.



Germany is no longer continental europe?

You comin on the 23rd?

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:D:D:D!!!!

No, would really like to but have put my name down for weekend work til the end of the month...Tuakau is up by Pokeno, yes?

:D lol

you still got a pointer Z ?

Who,s keen on a day out in Muriwai forest --dogs and starter pistol

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Originally Posted by el borracho

you still got a pointer Z ?

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yep

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Originally Posted by EeeBees

Tuakau is up by Pokeno, yes?

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Yup

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Who,s keen on a day out in Muriwai forest --dogs and starter pistol

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Me

wanna start trialing again

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Who,s keen on a day out in Muriwai forest --dogs and starter pistol

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we are heading into breeding season El B, personally i wouldnt go there from now to feb, even wea you went today is not ideal .
birds are pairing up for breeding and starting to make nests etc, even tho the general joe bloggs goes there , we as hunters should show a bit more respect for these birds at this time of the year

I'm keen for a Muriwai weekend so thats 2