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One could think that ----while the public area is being shot also by many other members of the public that you didnt show --seems a little odd way to think dont you think ??? everyone else can shoot it but the person you showed onto the public area ??Quote:
Originally Posted by upnorth uplander
if you read my post it says nothing about not shooting the area, but it does say repsecting the person who shows you these spots.
Why wouldn't you respect that person , of course you would but you are implying an emotional caveat on there which implies that person should never return to said spot with out you knowing even if on a piece of public land that others are free to utilize when ever they apply for a permit to shoot an area .if it is private land where you have introduce a party to I could not agree with you more !! but if Public shooting grounds run by fish and game the same doesnt really apply does it ,please correct me if I am wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by upnorth uplander
QUOTE"Tussock, be aware of those who ask to be invited, from past experience they usually return year after year and dont bother telling you, "
If a mate showed me a piece of public ground that was an absolute peach, I wouldn't go back and hunt it on my own. But I might suggest we do a return visit at some stage :)
its like someone taking you fishing to there spot x ,only a wanker will go back to that spot without the person who showed you it, so yep im saying out of respect for the person showing you these areas , you dont go back with out them. But then i wouldnt expect someone like you who doesnt have access to anywea other than what other people show you to understand
but you'd watch the masses apply at will as they rightfully can through fish and game and you'd miss out gqhoon ? I wouldn't , why would I and I wouldn't expect a person to hold that sort of shit over my head as I wouldn't expect to be the pretend key holder for land I don't actually own or give permits to --emotional black mail I leave behind me as I personally am bigger than those that choose those tactic's.Quote:
Originally Posted by gqhoon
Yeah I understand -I took my mate to Muriwai forestry for a hunt and he had never been there and the fucker went back and didnt tell me ! BastardQuote:
Originally Posted by upnorth uplander
its called respect Brian, and anyone reading this thread will think twice about inviting a person like you for a hunt now, my mission completed
Big Minds Z and small Minds -Zharn We all have different ones -I dont hold that attitude that you hold and I share spots when ever I can with people because I enjoy giving and sharing .On the 25th I will have several forum shooters to a pretty special spot to shoot that if they choose to do so they can return and as it isn't mine it is there right to do so .
I have other spots to shoot pheasants in Auckland but I don't enjoy them due to there terrain feature's - The north only has nicer grounds to run -plenty of birds out South Auckland way and I can get farms within 1/2 to an hour from here but don't like the ground .
Ill see you at yours next season and well have a cup of tea and a laugh .
Oh Zharn your still pissed cause I hunted T beach which is doc land --IF I ring Doc and ask to hunt XYZ area the area you are talking about is on offer on permit -yet you think because I hunted with you once I need your permission -is that it or not --even though its on a permit for all hunters to hunt when ever they want ??? Zharn grow up and dont be so pettyQuote:
Originally Posted by upnorth uplander
i not pissed at all Brian, just want to show all on here what some people are like, and youce done that for us all
you will find that alot of people share my view Brian , and with an attitude like yours, you wont get alot of invites to go hunting
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Originally Posted by gqhoon
and thats why people like yourself have the respect from other hunters bro
i THINK i SHARDED HAHA Zharn you should not point the bone brother or crap might fly in and land land on you , others have paid for your hunting for years but we wont go there
We hold different views on this that's all -I will not be emotionally black mailed by another person not to use public land on the license and don't expect you to "try" and say things like "people like you " --loosing argument Zharn and stand on your own two feet if you have a problem not try to disperse your ------what ever it is you have brewing away in there , now give me a man hug and go in peace
hunting on public land is just that 'public'
if ya don't want to share the hot spots with ya mates then don't take them.
i have mates that will go back after i've hunted with them in the an area, was the same when i was chasing hogs, i don't sweat on it lifes too short............ i have had a few double ups on areas when someones taken me out to a secret spot, which wasn't really so secret.
Its the way I figure it Kawhia , public land that every man and his dog can apply for and does apply for ???? why do people think they have the right to then put pressure on others because they hunted it first --someone hunted it before you and they don't complain
One of the wonderful things I have in my life is the will and want to share with others -it brings me much happiness
In saying all this I have no bone of contention in my mind with Z , quite the opposite and I hope we can run a dog together again in the future but that's up to you Z
Lets not be small people eh :thumbsup:
The way I figure it, good spots are hard to find. It takes a lot of effort and good spots are easy to shoot out.
People don't control the land but if someone's nice enough to let you in on the knowledge they've gained through hard work its only right to show some respect. It may be legal but its a quick way to lose invites.
Were talking a piece of land on the hunting ballot you actually will get asked if you want to hunt when you hunt the area which has several other pieces around it -- were talking doc land here not private -its hunted by many others manyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
It ain't about property rights. It's about information.
Do what you like but if that's the way you operate don't expect many invites. Get out and find the spots the hard way yourself but don't be surprised when people are protective of the information they've acquired through hard yards.
lets go there Brian as no one has paid for my huntingQuote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
It happens a lot here tussock, i have only one hunting "mate" that hasnt done it to me.
I respect the effort put in working out how to hunt an area effectively and as i have many of my own possies i dont go to other areas if i know its someones favourite area.
Even if i hunted the area before that person was born, i leave it for them, and we all get along.
With the place were talking about your quite wrong it is about property rights -one trying to stop another hunting a piece of land every man and his dog can hunt if they want to .The particular peice is not far from grounds I used to trial at in the north , across the harbor and surrounded by a few other spots -if you hunt the area sooner or later you hunt this area too -with or without Uplandnorthlander.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCGSP
The spot I hunted with him was 10 years ago for a weekend and the following year for two day and not since then till three weeks ago .You might understand my attitude toward his comments understanding this . In saying that If he thinks I am cutting his lunch he needs to understand when he isnt there others are eating at the table because IT IS PUBLIC LAND OFFERED ON NORTHLANDS HUNTING BALLOT-DO you know how many go north to hunt -my god nothing is secret -these attitudes sound like surfers who think because this year they found a secret spot its theirs but behind them was a generation of others .
El B your ability to alienate yourself just by being yourself is legendary:D
I dont hunt birds but do hunt public land and if taking someone else I usually prefer to hunt new ground. That way if it turns out to be a good spot it becomes "our spot" and we will hunt it together or apart but ask if the other wants to come.
On the odd occasion I take someone to one of "my" spots I ask that they dont return and shoot the shit out of it, Most of the time they dont sometimes they do the ones that do dont come to anymore of "my" spots;)
Tussock , please dont speak for others as there are others like me that have no problem some shooting public land they also shoot - I think you gotta understand the Northland land layout and see whats on offer so close together and how many people travel spot to spot in the same day to find game -its not unusual its just hunting .I have enjoyed the spot we are talking about and shot it this year for the first time on 10 years - "one quail " but I enjoyed it for the beautiful running I can see my dog doing while quartering the land -there is more to hunting than just shootingQuote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
haha , Veitnamcam unlike many I can go against the flow if I disagree with it -I can stand alone on subjects and feel ok -try it sometime .Can you imagine how boring this all would be with a bunch of head nodders hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
By the way -what do you do if you arrive at your favorite spot and there are several hunters already there -- they probably think what the f--k this dick doing here at our spot --really viscious circle -then you there and your mate turns up and you want to say " what are you doing at my spot "even though its on a doc ballot for him to hunt --did you say that to him or did you hold back because you know your an arse hole if you did -- and the viscious circle goes on --I stay out of those circles and think not to think how some of you do
What exactly should I be standing alone on?Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
Ever heard of the "Man code" I guess not
Actually no , I have not heard of man code ? I have a code that might be the same -it includes sharing , caring , not to be scared of moisturizing , showing empathy to others and not sweating the small things .Nothing I do would include the attitude of dissing a mate who cares to hunt a ground open to the public every day of the week to hunt just because I think its especially mine .Now tell me about your Man codeQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Some things cant be explained:roll:
Meeting other hunters on the hills usually results in a friendly chat about where we have been and where we intend to go.
were talking upland game hunting not deer stalking -a slightly different thing I suppose though similar principle still applies - don't try to control other people especially with stuff you don't own or have a right to control -this aint your forest and not your dune country --your see once you think you make the rules another comes along with a different set of rules -just their own opinion but the fact is you dont have any right what so ever to put your shit on to others because you feel uncomfortable .My situation with Uplander is different again and I personally have no problem with him and would hunt again with him even though his values differ to mine -- just dont sweat the small stuff --went to the gun shop today and my friend behind the counter say"I got cancer "Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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Originally Posted by el borracho
actually it not about property rights, its exactly as RCGSP has said
Zharn , we diametrically disagree about you having control on other shooters hunting a known piece of Doc ground -when other shooters come on the ground do you say this is my ground piss off or is it only to me you want to say this ??
You have a set of rules that you follow -next I have a set of rules that I follow and they differ --it doesnt matter what XYZ thinks at the end off the day as 50 billion other hunters can apply and shoot the same dirt --oh except me as I have to ask you for permission right ??right ?? :omg:
How many other think they can control other people here -- it will be good to see who you are
upNorth uplandlander , shall we go and shoot one of my property's next week near Muriwai , I can pick you and your spaniel up and run the dogs ?
I was always taught if someone is kind enough take you hunting (or fishing for that matter) to one of their spots you never go back unless its with them. Public or private land and works both ways
Im with you there mikee.
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by mikee
No etiquette folks get :pissed off :nek minit not friends :fighting: :whut: .. no more invites :thumbsup: , really if someone has done the leg work and invites me to hunt his secret spot x with him, he's a G.C and i wouldnt go back uninvited ,and have little respect for guys that would .
Secret spots are secret spots some spots just are not secret --a big difference