Thread: too close matings

Good point - the pointer has been bred this way for hundreds of years and remains robust. Try it with labs!

Both of those books are worth a read on a rainy Sunday. However as you mention his methods aren't for mere mortals due to one thing - the sheer size of his breeding programs. When you are whelping over 150 puppies a year, you make much quicker gains. Much like the Lord Scotneys' kennels up until he passed in the 70s - if any of the 100 puppies he whelped in a year still walked this earth at two years it was probably exceptional.

it is always a numbers game....... but it got results, try breeding that number of pups over 10-20 years let alone 12 months.

tussock, best stick to geology,the temperment is not there to be a successful breeder, of a line of hunting dogs.

I like how everything you put in the dog section (or economics, nutrition, Kung fu, farming) includes the qualifier 'look, I'm a geologist'

Originally Posted by lophortyx

tussock, best stick to geology,the temperment is not there to be a successful breeder, of a line of hunting dogs.

Doesn't make the theory behind it valid though...


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GSP follower inbred to the average dog breeder means something quite different to a geneticist. I recalled one of NZs top geneticists, also a pointer man, tell me he wouldnt consider it an inbred strain until that father daughter mating was put back to the father for a few more generations

What most hobby breeders do is comparatively mild. Problem is when a very mild inbreeding compounds over a much greater number of generations, often without people knowing it, especially the hobby breeder who only looks at a few generations. (Or the mutt breeder who has no idea) I can name hunting breeds here in NZ that are good examples of that, low coefficients but a high percentage of common ancestors

i always thought line breeding was close breeding that worked and inbreeding was the excuse when you hadnt done your homework or were lazy or greedy

@gsp follower, there is another take on this...inbreeding is when line breeding goes wrong...

Lazy or greedy ? Interesting.

I imported a bitch pup out the litter mentioned. I have my reasons. She had what i wanted.
COI 16.225% so i bit high.

Regardless of how your emotion clouds your reasoning, the simple fact is that nobody reading this post would be alive today without the advances in animal husbandry and selective breeding that allowed the global population to boom over the last 3000 years. From the bulldog you own tussock, to the cows you tend, the grass they eat, the grains fruit and meat you eat, the flowers in your garden, all are a result of selection man has placed on them for hix own advancement. Like it or not.

Do you think they were made by accident?

It's not new at all. We have been selecting animals to breed to produce better animals for thousands of years, and the methods haven't changed much.

@cmore I wouldn't worry about your pups COI, you have some good options to lower that here. You even have the option of outcrosses here if you chose to.

No wonder no one wants to post in here. You guys who want to breed you dogs to their relatives to produce a more identical mutant to win a ribbon should assume when I post I am not talking to you in any way.

i gave up trying to understand half your ramblings along time ago.
i posted the question in the right section of the forum, and was after the the answers i got from people who had the info i needed.
it's really not worth clogging the thread up with shit that can cause a pissing contest.