Thread: Weimaraner pups

Originally Posted by Thor762

If I ever get myself down to NZ I'll have my Weimar boy along. He's not from any special line but has all the natural hunting and tracking ability I'd ever want. He will happily track and kill rats/mice, point, flush birds, retrieve, track game, and has even chased off a charging moose, a trio of black bears, innumerable coyotes. I've also never met a dog that looks "up" as much as he does while out in the bush. He routinely spots game birds in trees before I do.

Smartest dog I've ever met. He's gone out and found lost dog at a set of hiking trails we used to frequent. Grabbed the dog's leash and towed it out of the bush and right into the back seat of my truck. His pain tolerance is legend. The Vet's he's had love him as he will sit perfectly still for anything they do.

One of the best things I love about him is he will never run off. If he loses sight of me, he will backtrack until he knows I've seen him, then turn around and go back on the trail of whatever he's following.

I haven't taught him any of it. It's just what he does and what he enjoys doing. And at 110lbs and 29 inches at the shoulder he's far larger than breed standard. In fact the vet he used to have was a German from the Weimar district, where the breed originates. He said he's never seen a bigger or stronger Weimaraner in Canada and nothing similar since the hunting lines when he was back in Germany.

Fine looking hound and obviously a useful dog... but it's not in NZ and we have not got bugger all useful ones here.

Let me solidify my position.... as much as some may not like my opinion. At the end of the day it is only my opinion and people can accept it, respect it, reject it, be guided by it, or ignore it... their choice... no big deal. I am grateful some of you feel so strongly about what my opinion influences. Maybe it's a bunch of crap... why do you care so much? It's my opinion. I don't like Weimeraners, I do not think any new handler should have one, any I have seen, even handled by good handlers were average dogs with exceptional noses that do not measure up in anyway shape or form to other breeds on offer, in my opinion. If you are so enamored with the look or type then good on you, accept the compromise that brings. Simply, there are better dogs out there for the work you want, dogs which, in my opinion, will do the same job better and with less work from the handler, but if you want to use one of those things for the job, if you are a great handler you might make a fist of it... They are hunting dogs and as such will aid in the hunt if you can handle one... if not they will be a bloody nightmare.

You will get a better result, easier from other breeds... I don;t know what drives some of you, but that's my opinion. You don't have to like it.

Have i got this wrong... are some of you endeavoring to convince some of us we have overlooked the best breed going? Are we missing out? What would we gain by changing to the Weimeraner tomorrow?

Have we all missed the best gundog in the world that is misunderstood? What the f*** are you people trying to tell us?

I'm am sure in other places of the world there are some great ones, I've never seen one in this country I would call even average. Excelling in pigeon trials is hardly a standard any serious dog handler would consider, and the majority I have worked with had mouths like rat traps. But I am sure there are others.

Glad you liked them @EeeBees. About a second after the moose picture was taken it was in a full run at us. The time the mother black bear charged it would have made a pretty neat picture, but I was a little too busy to get the phone out and take a picture. Haha.

@Ruff, yeah no worries. I have similar sentiments towards a number of breeds, but it's all based on the one's I've come in contact with. Crixus (the dog) is intact so if I can ever get down to your beautiful country he will likely spread some genetics around.

Originally Posted by kiwijames

@Pointer, when you and Ryen were in the Hawkes Bay for one of the gun dog events there was a Weimaraner dog running. He was a very staunch looking dog and I understand he could hold his own.

While I don't specifically remember the dog running, I'd guess it was Rob Gaastra's as he was there

Originally Posted by Thor762

Glad you liked them @EeeBees. About a second after the moose picture was taken it was in a full run at us. The time the mother black bear charged it would have made a pretty neat picture, but I was a little too busy to get the phone out and take a picture. Haha.

@Ruff, yeah no worries. I have similar sentiments towards a number of breeds, but it's all based on the one's I've come in contact with. Crixus (the dog) is intact so if I can ever get down to your beautiful country he will likely spread some genetics around.

He would do some good for them I suspect!

Quoted @Thor762 Glad you liked them @EeeBees. About a second after the moose picture was taken it was in a full run at us. The time the mother black bear charged it would have made a pretty neat picture, but I was a little too busy to get the phone out and take a picture. Haha.

yikes, I can well imagine that!!!

Pointing Dog Blog: Breed of the Week: The Weimaraner Part 3

some interesting reading here for those with a bit of time to read through the 3 parts.

interesting but i think Clark nailed this well and truly with his thoughts interesting reading this breeders thoughts ----
....My German dogs have more drive, more focus. They are bolder, more hard-headed, WAY more intelligent, and did I mention DRIVE? My American dogs from field lines have more style. They are faster and wider ranging, more eager to please, softer, more hyper, and did I mention STYLE? I find the German dogs easier to train, but harder to keep trained. They are very strong-willed and scary-smart. If you don’t stay on top of them, they will find very creative ways of getting away with murder. The Americans, on the other hand, are very eager to please, but don’t catch on as quickly. They are soft, so you can’t rush their training or you will lose the style, which is their best asset. Once they are trained, they stay trained with only gentle reminders.--- this sounds way to hard

a mate of mine ran 3 weis for years competing in bird dog pigeon trials -did averagely but
you wouldn't expect to do to much more against a specialist dogs . hunting pheasant they did good , slower than a Setter or pointer but still put away plenty of birds . deer , i wouldn't have a clue about but no reason in their slower running style that i have observed for them not to be excellent dogs for the job providing BREEDING is good and training is good

in saying all that when they died he got a gsp -he is mainly a bird hunter . robs WEI mentioned is a very different looking animal from my friends and very much the type you wouldn't fuc with, big , good looking animal . i havent seen it work but he is a keen hunter and uses it

Just because they point doesn't mean they are specifically an upland bird dog, in fact I would think the breed would suit NZ variety of hunting more so than the Americanised type. Being more intelligent than some of their owners could be a problem.

love those photos thor. the clay target "oi boss ,guess what -ya missed" . the moose "listen here you started it ,anyhow whose callin who ugly bignose!"
hell hes a big unit -be handy for towing the hunting wagon outta the bogs down here.

@kotuku yeah he would go fetch the missed clays. That was back when he was a pup. Yesterday he brought me a duck. Problem is, I wasn't hunting, and it's not duck season. I was sitting on the couch when I noticed him out the window bringing a duck back to the house.

If I were to pick styles I'd say Crixus is more the german type than american. Scary smart, zero fear, and will go after anything from mice to bears and moose.

@Ruff something I was going to comment on that you mentioned but forgot was the "mouths like rat traps". I've seen that in a couple of other Weimaraners. Crixus however has one of the most controllable grabs I've seen in a dog. On the far end he will snap deer femurs, bite through hockey pucks, and routinely crunches through frozen solid chicken drumsticks with ease. On the other side of things I've seen him grab kittens and one of my sisters loose chickens and not break anything. I'll wrestle with him at speed and he can latch on to my arm and bite down with heavy pressure but has never once broken the skin on my arm. His bite is like a dial from 1-10 and he can choose in an instant how much pressure to apply.

this was my beautiful bitch,a loyal,high couraged dog.