Thread: What do I do?

You can borrow my vizsla to put across cheyenne and it will bring the excitement back of having a dog your not.quite sure what its going to do etc lol. Break all the moulds and go against the current, the grain, logic amd everything else its fun to go against

Indeed it's Dr Guberti that I speak about. I didn't knew his fame comes down that much south.

Ruff, you only find apples under an appletree. You only find good ones that might pass their qualities on, out of other good ones, wich are linebred. I don't say that you don't have good outcrosses. But where do their qualities come from? and whill they pass these qualities on? That good son is the way to go, but I would at lest mate him to a granddaughter of Brick. With the future in mind, you should use him on a few bitches, so that you will be able to cross those again in the future.

Originally Posted by Hales Smut

Indeed it's Dr Guberti that I speak about. I didn't knew his fame comes down that much south.

Ruff, you only find apples under an appletree. You only find good ones that might pass their qualities on, out of other good ones, wich are linebred. I don't say that you don't have good outcrosses. But where do their qualities come from? and whill they pass these qualities on? That good son is the way to go, but I would at lest mate him to a granddaughter of Brick. With the future in mind, you should use him on a few bitches, so that you will be able to cross those again in the future.

Hales, sorry you seem to be misunderstanding... I did say above he has sired over 80 puppies... the main issue is that I wouldn;t have personally selected the respective bitches for him... the bitch I have is the best, on paper cross, for him available for a host of reasons... which is why I bought her....

I agree regarding line breeding... the only point of difference between us, an d many breeders is how close you go. Jim Clarke has been able to stay true to his line, with very little complete outcrossing for generations by not getting closer than grandparents... it 's the philosophy I follow... I wont go as close as most, and as a result will not have to go as far away as as most.

Sorry, I was of the idea that she was an outcross to Brick. You also must consider that it's possible that she doesn't throw the stuff. From my three best bitches, the best doesn't produce. She had two litters and nothing came from her. Sometimes very good bitches don't produce. Why ?????? But than we have to try something else.

Originally Posted by Hales Smut

Sorry, I was of the idea that she was an outcross to Brick. You also must consider that it's possible that she doesn't throw the stuff. From my three best bitches, the best doesn't produce. She had two litters and nothing came from her. Sometimes very good bitches don't produce. Why ?????? But than we have to try something else.

I agree, I have no doubt Cheyenne has the right bloodlines to produce with the right sire... It's just one of my guiding principles I won;t closer than grandparants... I understand why others do, but a lot of issues won;t take me there....

Originally Posted by Ruff

Hales, sorry you seem to be misunderstanding... I did say above he has sired over 80 puppies... the main issue is that I wouldn;t have personally selected the respective bitches for him... the bitch I have is the best, on paper cross, for him available for a host of reasons... which is why I bought her....

Did Jim Clarke breed on paper alone?

I agree regarding line breeding... the only point of difference between us, an d many breeders is how close you go. Jim Clarke has been able to stay true to his line, with very little complete outcrossing for generations by not getting closer than grandparents... it 's the philosophy I follow... I wont go as close as most, and as a result will not have to go as far away as as most.

A Brick son over a Brick grand daughter will only give you a 6.25% COI if my maths is correct, that's very minor.

Originally Posted by Pointer

Did Jim Clarke breed on paper alone?




A Brick son over a Brick grand daughter will only give you a 6.25% COI if my maths is correct, that's very minor.

Jim never really bred on paper at all, he just had limits he used to ensure genetic integrity... and succeed to produce a line that has, as far as I am aware not a single genetic fault in ages....

Jim, I can;t understand you logic... Jim not breeding on paper... then a COI worked out on paper? come one man!!!

The COI means nothing to me... the reality does. I will NOT go closet than grandparants. but I am forming a plan, and there'll be a world of commonality... but it will safe and won;t produce fucked up hips, lips eyes and arseholes

Originally Posted by Ruff

Jim, I can;t understand you logic... Jim not breeding on paper... then a COI worked out on paper? come one man!!!

The COI means nothing to me... the reality does. I will NOT go closet than grandparants. but I am forming a plan, and there'll be a world of commonality... but it will safe and won;t produce fucked up hips, lips eyes and arseholes

The paper talk was in reference to this bitch you talk of. I don't know her, but even though she has a great pedigree, you seem disappointed with her with your recent comments. Its all pie in the sky. The dog is more important than the pedigree...

As for the COI comment, if the pup was to have a common grandparent in brick as you suggested, they would have a higher COI% than what Hales Smut suggested... Thats where I was going with this. Not having a stab, just not getting where you are coming from.

Originally Posted by Hales Smut

Indeed it's Dr Guberti that I speak about. I didn't knew his fame comes down that much south.

No mate it probably hasn't I clearly need another hobby. Is fame the right word for Guberti? Infamy if you believe the do-gooders these days!

I feel he is one of the greats, he achieved more than Whele ever did. I find him a fascinating story

Originally Posted by Pointer

The paper talk was in reference to this bitch you talk of. I don't know her, but even though she has a great pedigree, you seem disappointed with her with your recent comments. Its all pie in the sky. The dog is more important than the pedigree...

As for the COI comment, if the pup was to have a common grandparent in brick as you suggested, they would have a higher COI% than what Hales Smut suggested... Thats where I was going with this. Not having a stab, just not getting where you are coming from.

To put that in perspective... The bitch has every quality i would want in a dog... except she's soft... I can put that back with the right sire and produce all of her qualities with a better workable temperament.... if she was weak in any other area i wouldn't consider it. I will breed a litter and run them on, other than those I would trust to go with certain handlers.... what I run on will have the qualities I was attempting to produce or, sorry if this offends anyone, they will be removed from the gene pool. It's a tough call, but I am a devotee of Jim Clarke's methods and regimented culling of what didn;t meet the standard, once run on, is part of it I just have to suck up and deal with. If I am big enough to be critical of people who I believe inflict inferior stock on other people, I have to have the balls to be certain I will not do that myself.

The COI is my point about paper.. if a half brother/half sister mating has a lower COI than a commonality of grandparants, then I think common sense suggests it shows the fagilioty of the COI system... this is genetics, not mathematics... I still believe in good old fashioned stock-manship over computer formulas.