Simple question, so quails would be handy and plenty of them.
But what else?
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Simple question, so quails would be handy and plenty of them.
But what else?
A dog.
Always found it easier to Trial with a dog.:)
I take it you'll be the resident smartarse, you always need one of them in any group.
I'd be really happy to see wild quail on a trial. Especially after seeing how fun they are to hunt over a dog.
Tho I haven't seen any quail on the trials I've been to. Pheasants are needed equally.
A mate suggested Johny houses (quail recall pens), I'm not sure behind the cost and commitment required for this, but I think I'd be a lot more keener on pre-released quail trial instead of pigeon trial. There are some things that I am not sure about domestically reared quail, that's they behavior and scent in comparison to wild raised quail. Beyond me really but I'd be keen to know.
Upside is that we are releasing quail into the wild, some will be recalled back to the pen and used again, others may not come back and will hopefully survive in the wild increasing the quail numbers.
But also depends what sort of trials we are talking about. Pointer and Setter trials need grounds to suit the breeds... Access to proper grounds with adequate bird numbers are they key in my opinion.
This again is my opinion.
Will have to be a non-shooting trial if using johnny houses as they are released within a certain time frame. What I'd love to see is shooting trials. To do a shooting trial it will have to be on wild game during the season
You mean as a driven bird scenario?
I mean as in there's the quail, now take your dog and go get some but with the style your breed is meant to use.
Seems simple enough doesn't it WH :) but for some reason we like to put obstacles in our own way and complain that the grounds aren't suitable to a blah-blah dog and favors a wah-wah dog and so-so judge doesn't like my blah-blah dog :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
Edit - tongue in cheek obviously, but there might be a little bit of truth to it....;)
Yes, gqhoon...the neat neat thing about the location of the trials over Easter was, to my mind, that we were all on a level playing field...there is no flat ground there!!! it is a tough gruelling locale and favours no one...that is what makes it so cool...
I know, Wirehunt, if we could do a quail trial on Pig Island and it was all in place etc, you would have a turnout like no other I reckon...
But you have them there already EB. Talking about a mainland one here.
How much notice do people get for these, or do they plan them for ages?
the trials are planned months in advance as there are a string of them on the trial calendar.If you are planning one I would suggest getting in contact with a club in the south Island or with some of the guys off here in the south like smallfry for some info .
One must have a competent judges also as it needs to be run strictly rewarding those dogs that do superior work . Are you seriously contemplating one Wirehunt ?
Take for instance we have the dates for trials in September, exact venue not yet decided...if you were wanting to get any NIs down there then a least three to four months notice or more I guess...a stab at a long weekend would be excellent i.e Queens Birthday..
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Originally Posted by Wirehunt
Go for it!!! You could contact the Pointer and Setter Club secretary, (their website is www.pointersetter.org)...re judges etc and anything else...if we had heaps of notice we would be down there...
I don't mind organising the place and accommodation, but I wouldn't organise judges.
Our season goes 1 Jun to 25 Aug so it's maybe to tight a time frame for the year for you lot anyway. OR could you organise yourselves around that?
Maybe a bit short for this year, but Queens would be ideal for most of us up here...cos you are not going to have a quail trial without us!!!!
Ok, but opening? Really? Can dogs be run concurrently on these trials? As in two judges, two spots but the same area?
the dogs are braced on live game -fastest and best finder that points a bird and manages it after that point proceeds forward -the other is out burger ................
If you are hosting a Wild Game Trial the dogs are braced and each handler has their respective judge so you and your dog will work the left side and your brace partner will work the right side with his dog...everyone else is standing by waiting for their runs...so say you had an entry of 16 dogs, the first round of braces would be obviously eight, then second round, four brace, third round two brace and lastly the shoot out between the best of the last two braces...so each brace has fifteen minutes to run...so you are looking at land that could accommodate 15 brace if all goes well i.e dogs are not eliminated etc. Depends very much on the locale, cover how long the runs can last...at Taupo on that amazing ground 15 minutes went very quickly indeed.
ZHow much ground do they cover in that 15 minutes? Between the two dogs.
teFerrarri, Petros_mk and El B would know, I cannot gestimate that at all...
length wise it depends on the cover as they go sideways most of the time -one hopes .But I would say about 1/2 km forward by 1/4 wide or so
So once they have contacted a bird that run is done?
no they carry on for the allocated time....... too much game can be as bad as not enough
Exactly kawhia. This IS NOT A PROBLEM YET but may become so as we progress our live game trials....
When I started live game trialling with springers in about 1989 we ran in the forests where we hunted, no released birds, just went hunting... the best hunting dogs won.
I worry, in live game, principally for spaniels, but may apply to pointing dogs too, that we are now heading down the road of finding the best preserve dog, high game, liberated game dog... are we finding the dog that hunts for an hour without finding game? The thing the average hunter needs...
I'm not saying we are, but we are in danger of separating trials from being relevant to the hunter... we may jusdge the best high game dog, instead of producing better dogs for hunters... the basic role identified as the role of trails.
I do love the SI rabbit trails for this though....
In my ever so humble opinion, the ideal trial trail ground is just simply the type of place the average Kiwi woulod go and hunt, with enough ground for 15 or so dogs to have a fair go.
Well that's easy enough. So long as people hunt the animals presented.
yes they will as long as it has feathers lol
If you guys are really serious about live game trials in the South Island, there is a great opportunity in October this year.
The beginning of October the North Otago Gundog are running their Jubilee Trial (All Breeds, Pointer and Setter, Spaniel and Retriever), a week later the Central Otago club are hosting the South Island Championships,the following week the Canterbury Gun Dog Club are hosting the NZ Championships.
Between the South Island and the New Zealand the Canterbury Gundog Club are running 2 braced Pointer and Setter trials. So with NI competitors/judges possibily already in the South Island it would not take much organizing to run a couple of live game trials in Central Otago.