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Hey guys
Just wondering what does it take to train a dog into a deer dog. I have a 6 month purebred lab pup that im training for duck shooting and would like to take her our deer hunting with me more for company then for finding deer. Does it take a special type of dog to take deer hunting? Or is it all through training?. Much appreciated http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...aaf09eef3e.jpg
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In my super uneducated opinion, a dog is never going to help you find deer unless you're a great deer hunter already yourself.
The next thing even for a companion dog I guess for me anyway would being able to be quiet, this includes panting. So that's my dog out of the equation[emoji1]
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panting can certainly ruin it for Deer
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Originally Posted by Dougie
yea I get what your saying but I was meaning I wanna take my dog in the bush without it scaring deer away, not that I want it to find the deer for me.
cheers
No reason a lab won't be as good or even better than a versitile . No expert on the subject but my dog (GSP) only walks on heel and indicates buy scenting mostly , ie head up and smelling continuously . Only points when in view of a deer . My dog is a Not a deer dog , but has helped indicate deer I would have walked past . They are deer hunkered down in scrub on tops , and screes .
I'd say try train him to a standard that any hunting requires . Heel , stop ! Down , etc . If you nail that home . You go nothing to loose .
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if the primary role is that of duck dog, then i would be working on ticking that off first, by that i mean trained as a retriever and all the manners and commands that go with it.
you will find most of those trained behaviors will set your dog up for a dual role, eg heeling.
Labs are great in saying that I have a young vizsla also. From the mistakes I made with my lab and trying not to repeat with vizsla get a good stop,heel and sit sorted. They are a bit noisier in the bush than others but are great. My girl.is great for finding deer once shot longerbrange but no good in bush based on the lack of training I put into her hence the new dog. They are easier to train than others based on food as a reward. I am no expert but have had some great help. Stick to the lab and she will be fine
Even for bush hunting
Works for this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ8FSerdgGA
Geze that labs onto it
Hey Possum,
Im no expert either. I have a few dogs over the years. I had labs when I was younger, but really had no idea on what I was doing then. I have had a few pitties for yard dogs holding pigs, and also had a few other mongrels for pig hunting. What I did learn was its shit house having disobedient dogs. I had a shocker that was a murderer of stock and other dogs. Used to chase the retard paper boy down the rad all the time, bit untidy to be honest. Ended up smoking him. But I think if I had of learnt to train them properly things would of certainly be different. M last two pitties I got off the lead obedient using the William Koheler method of training. Id recommend it for all med to large dogs. Goggle the method.
He and his family have written heaps of books on different types of training. It isn't to hard to learn and takes about 3 -4 months on most dogs. if you do it every day for 40 mins. Its not one of these puppy club jobs. It seems harsh sometimes but works premo.
I think the police dogs, and military dogs start off with something similar. Once you have the obedience down pat you can work on what ever it is you want to use them for. Its loads of fun. Especialy when you get the neighbour hood kids helping you with distractions.
Sounds good will google it up. Cheers for that mate
Possum, just dusted off a copy I have, heres the ISBN 0-87605-657-5. This is about the third book (given the others away) I have had written by Koehler (spelt correct this time).There was an earlier copy about 2 inchs thick had obedience, guard, attack, and trick training. Its a hard copy to find, but it has great info on dog behaviour, traits, sorting problems etc.
Cheers champQuote:
Originally Posted by deadidick
I searched the fulla on google but couls only find the training where you lead the dog and sit it down and do that 25x. Ill see if i can find me a copy or otherwise i think there is a printable pdf file on his website that might do the trick
Amazon have his books listed...
Amazon.com: koehler dog training: Books
Cheers EeeBeesQuote:
Originally Posted by EeeBees
Think i might grab a heap of cheapies sit down and sift the good stuff out.
I have had many Labs all females. They were and are all good on deer and birds. Even handle a medium sized pig by themselves.
Don't ever force them to do anything, make life, hunting, swimming fun and they will naturally pick up what you want them to do.
During the early stages of learning that they are hunting dogs bring in the discipline that a dog needs to hunt successfully with you.
Remember they are animals that are able to hunt in a pack where there own skills need to be subordinate to the needs of others they hunt with and that's you.
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This is the best Lab bitch I have had. Perhaps because I took more time to let her learn things at he own pace.
I was always a bit of a disciplinarian in the old days and I think some of my dogs never achieved what they could have done because of that.
They did what I wanted sure enough but if they were allowed to think their way through a problem they learn to do it better.
This bitch will retrieve a dead duck, but while she is, if we drop a woundy she will put the dead one down and catch the woundy.Then take the woundy back to the dead duck and pick them both up and bring them both in.
I think my other bitches were too anxious to please the boss. I have seen dogs have mental breakdowns because some owners are at them all the time and they never have time just to be dogs.
@Scribe Did you hunt with a dog while you were culling? Also a lab?
Hi philipgr, Not successfully. When I started culling I had and Irish setter bitch with me that I was very fond of. I virtually walked the poor thing to death. I still regret not taking her out early and giving her away. You were dissuaded from leaving your block though.Quote:
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She got as much venison as she could eat everyday but it wasn't enough I should have shot a few possums that would have helped her keep the condition on maybe. It was the river crossings that knocks the dogs around in winter and spring. Water up to your thighs a hunter could handle but the dog would get swept downstream and end up on the same side she left. Sometimes you would be criss crossing the river for five or six hours in a day. I would leave her some days to make it to the next hut as best she could
I shot her at Kelly Knight Hut. She was just skin and bone by then. When I think about her now I feel I need to go back to KK hut and spend a little time there once again and tell her I am sorry for what happened.
It sounds like you had a loyal companion in that dog and I'm sorry to hear things panned out that way.Quote:
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